[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 10 June 2014 at 1400 UTC
Terri Agnew
terri.agnew at icann.org
Tue Jun 10 16:25:10 UTC 2014
Dear All,
Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 10 June 2014 at 14:00 UTC at:
<http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140610-en.mp3> http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140610-en.mp3
On page:
<http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#june> http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#june
The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:
<http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/
Attendees:
Steve Metalitz - IPC
Justin Macy – BC
James Bladel – RrSG
Laura Jedeed – BC
Sarah Wyld - RrSG
Michele Neylon – RrSG
Chris Pelling – RrSG
Jennifer Standiford – RrSG
Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP
Don Moody – IPC
Darcy Southwell - RrSG
Graeme Bunton – RrSG
Don Blumenthal – RySG
Phil Marano – IPC
Jim Bikoff – IPC
Susan Prosser- RrSG
Kristina Rosette – IPC
Val Sherman – IPC
Tim Ruiz – RrSG
David Heasley – IPC
Griffin Barnett – IPC
Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG
Libby Baney – BC
Paul McGrady – IPC
Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC
Roy Balleste – NCUC
Susan Kawguchi – BC
Carlton Samuels-ALAC
Volker Greimann - RrSG
Apologies:
Kathy Kleiman – NCUC
Christian Dawson – ISPCP
Holly Raiche – ALAC
Alex Deacon - IPC
ICANN staff:
Mary Wong
Marika Konings
Amy Bivins
Terri Agnew
** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **
Mailing list archives:
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Wiki page:
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Thank you.
Kind regards,
Terri Agnew
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 10 June 2014:
Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 10 June 2014
Chris Pelling:afternoon all, just listening to the blues on the system
Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all
Graeme Bunton:Good morning all
Libby Baney:Good morning everyone
Val Sherman:Good morning
Michele Neylon:AFK - BRB
Tim Ruiz:Hello, just joined.
Jennifer Standiford:Hello
Terri Agnew:Jennifer Standiford has joined
Terri Agnew:Jim Bikoff has joined
Terri Agnew:Darcy Southwell has joined
Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined
Kristina Rosette:Good morning!
Terri Agnew:Kristina I have added you to attendance list
Graeme Bunton:onwards and upwards
Mary Wong:The list of principles the EWG recommends for accredited P/P services is on pp. 100-101 of the EWG Final Report.
Chris Pelling:prompt shuld not be a defind period
Carlton:Howdy to all
Graeme Bunton:Agreeing with steve re: designated, dedicated would be burdensome to many
Michele Neylon:sorry - office network is b0rked
Darcy Southwell:Agree with Steve and Graeme that it should be designated (not dedicated).
Val Sherman:+1 @steve
steve metalitz:+1 on "capable and authorized" as per James
Mary Wong:The Compliance and LEA feedback is what you're seeing now on screen in AC.
Terri Agnew:Carlton has joined
Graeme Bunton:spam volume has increased more than 10x into our monitored emails
Terri Agnew:Kiran Malancharuvil has joined
steve metalitz:I believe question D.4 gets directly to the types of abuse complaints to be acted upon.
Bladel:Borked? Is that a technical term?
Graeme Bunton:That's a sign. For sure, Michele
Don Blumenthal:Apparently. From Michele earlier - sorry - office network is b0rked
Michele Neylon:not sure what happened - something went pop
steve metalitz:Move on to D3
Carlton:So the consensus is for "designated" contact?
Graeme Bunton:That was my understanding, Carlton
Michele Neylon:Carlton - I think so
Carlton:Great. That is the sensible choice
Carlton:Re Q3, Is there a common understanding of what 'full WHOIS contact details" mean?
Michele Neylon:No idea
Michele Neylon:I don't even know what that means
Mary Wong:The Whois RT recs for P/P services reads in part: "Clearly labeling WHOIS entries to indicate that registrations have been made by a privacy or proxy service;ô°€ Providing full WHOIS contact details for the privacy/proxy service provider, which are contactable and responsive; ... "
Jennifer Standiford:'full WHOIS' is not a defined term in the 2013 RAA
Carlton:I'm presuming the qualifier 'full' was intentional. Aaah....
Mary Wong:Per James' comment, Section 2.1 of th Temporary P/P Spec in the 2013 RAA reads: "P/P Provider shall publish the terms and conditions of its service (including pricing), on its website and/or Registrar's website."
Mary Wong:And in 2.3: "P/P Provider shall publish its business contact information on its website and/or Registrar's website.."
Carlton:@Michele: +1. I would think this is the real requirement, for the website as a absolute requirement foraccreditation
Jennifer Standiford:All registrars are very familiar with the PP spec in the RAA.
Bladel:Interesting.
Jennifer Standiford:there is no men tioning of the term "full whois"
Tim Ruiz:Perhaps to be accredited you are required to use a gTLD.
Michele Neylon:Tim - why?
Bladel:Why the heck isn't everybody doing that. :)
Michele Neylon:Carlton - yup
Tim Ruiz:Seriously, I think what Mary posted regarding 2.3 covers this. Can't we just adopt that?
Jennifer Standiford:I concur Tim
Tim Ruiz:@Michele, I guess I will have to be clearer when I am kidding. Sorry.
Tim Ruiz:+1 Michele.
Volker Greimann:the user going to whois is a rare case though
Kiran Malancharuvil:@Volker - not in the case of consumer protection organizations. As discussed before, we are on Whois all day, every day
Volker Greimann:Right, but you are not the typical user. you are a service provider
Kiran Malancharuvil:we represent consumers, who are users
Volker Greimann:I thought you represented brand owners?
Kiran Malancharuvil:"consumer" protection
Chris Pelling:I thought the same Volker
Bladel:THat's not exactly what Steve is saying, I think.
Tim Ruiz:Registrars also represent consumer protection, IMHO.
Kiran Malancharuvil:Great, and getting back to the point, we all use Whois, as consumer protectors
Kiran Malancharuvil:No one said otherwise Tim
Michele Neylon:we can't change whois for cctlds
Tim Ruiz:Not responding to anyone, was just making a statement.
Michele Neylon:I don't have an issue with ICANN listing accredited companies
Graeme Bunton:Agreed with James
Carlton:Contact details that resultin contactability 24/7 is an absolute requirement for accreditation
Bladel:How could something like that be accredited?
Bladel:Accredited entities should -want- to be found, IMO.
Tim Ruiz:What about IANA IDs in some way. A new list of IDs for Accredited P/P services with a list of names and associated website addresses. Then use that ID somewhere in the P/P services' clients Whois.
Bladel:Some background noise on the call. Microphone?
Graeme Bunton:It's difficult to build a privacy or proxy business when you're really hard to find.
Michele Neylon:Unless that's your plan ..
Chris Pelling:is someone trying to strangle their phone ?
Chris Pelling:gettings some serious noise
Tim Ruiz:Wow, a lot of noise on the call. Sounds like my joints on a rainy day.
Osvaldo Novoa:The noise is quite disturbing
Tim Ruiz:Noise is gone now.
Tim Ruiz:It's back, must be on Don's line?
Chris Pelling:its back
Michele Neylon:Don is generating it?
Kiran Malancharuvil:It's on your line Don. It only happens when you speak.
Chris Pelling:its quite now
Jennifer Standiford:i hear the noise
Chris Pelling:yes it notmally is
Chris Pelling:statue like :p
Kristina Rosette:It's the sound that one's phone makes when one is trying to balance the phone on one's shoulder and do something else with one's hands.
Volker Greimann:It sounds a bit like you are kneading the mike
Carlton:LOL
Jennifer Standiford:sounds like the phone cord rubbing up against something
Val Sherman:much better!
Volker Greimann:sorry
Michele Neylon:Jennifer - apparently he's using a headset ..
Kristina Rosette:A template for reports to abuse contact? Has the potential to by very helpful, IMHO. Would make reports less burdensome all around. Although I think you'd still need a space for free form text.
Kiran Malancharuvil:Agreed Kristina, that would be very helpful!
Michele Neylon:Kristina / Kiran - free form is fine
Michele Neylon:BUT putting the "meat" at the top is key
Kiran Malancharuvil:Well maybe a tiny bit of guided form with free form after?
Paul McGrady:I like the idea of standardization.
Kristina Rosette:What about the "template" of the information that needs to be in a DMCA takedown notice?
Carlton:Starnardisation is always preferred...so long as it enforces the datainfo that must be collected
Volker Greimann:+1 for Michele's comment
Susan Prosser:I agree standardization would be very beneficial to all.
Chris Pelling:DMCA would be to the hosting co, rather than the PP service
Michele Neylon:maybe wait to see what Don can get back?
Volker Greimann:Also always fun and helpful: "Your customer is spamming me, stop him now!!!"
Michele Neylon:I know ther's been work on it
Kristina Rosette:@Chris: I know, but the DMCA sets out the information that's required. (I was thinking of it as a starting point.)
Tim Ruiz:Thanks Don, bye all.
Bladel:Thank you, Don.
Kristina Rosette:Bye.
Volker Greimann:thank you all
Osvaldo Novoa:bye
Carlton:Thankd Don. Thanks all
Darcy Southwell:Thank you.
Susan Prosser:thanks Don
Michele Neylon:ciao
Chris Pelling:Bye all :)
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