[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2

Tue Mar 4 13:23:50 UTC 2014

What Volker writes below makes sense to me, All.  Provided the agreed 
upon 2013 RAA review of data has been done by someone, I don't see why 
we should duplicate it. The scope of our WG is p/p providers affiliated 
with registrars -- so coordination of the review of the data, per the 
ICANN rules, in conjunction with the Registrar makes perfect sense to me.

As does a "no-privacy penalty." What we have found (Nominet and others 
-- BTW no one on staff reached out to me to help dig out this study, can 
we do that this week?) is that when people know their data is private 
and protected, it is more accurate.  That makes sense and complies with 
government advice from all corners. Even the US Federal Trade Commission 
says not to give out your name and phone number in a way that is open 
and unprotected!

So I think we are already headed towards more accurate data...
Best,
Kathy
:
> Hi Steven,
>
> if we can limit that obligation to those cases where no validation of 
> the underlying data has been performed by the registrar of record, we 
> might be getting somewhere. An independent obligation that duplicates 
> work already done will help no one and confuse many.
>
> Volker
>
>
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> Am 03.03.2014 19:51, schrieb Metalitz, Steven:
>>
>> Thanks Volker.  It is precisely because "the registrars obligation 
>> only extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use 
>> the domain name with permission of that registrant," that there 
>> should be an independent obligation on the part of the p/p service 
>> provider to validate its customer's contact information.
>>
>> Steve.
>>
>> *From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net]
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 5:32 AM
>> *To:* Metalitz, Steven; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat 
>> B, questions 1 and 2
>>
>> Hi Steven,
>>
>> Even when this assertion is relevant, it may not be persuasive, for a 
>> number of reasons.  For example, the Whois data reminder obligation 
>> applies to the registrant of record.  In the case of a proxy service, 
>> the registrant or record is the service, not its customer. If a Whois 
>> data reminder is sent to a non-proxy registrant and bounces back, 
>> then the RAA requires the registrar to re-verify.  But a data 
>> reminder sent to a proxy service will almost never bounce back, and 
>> therefore there may be no RAA obligation to re-verify. This is so 
>> even if the customer data provided to the service is inaccurate or 
>> outdated.   In this circumstance it is up to the p/p service 
>> accreditation standards to specify the conditions under which 
>> customer data must be re-verified.
>>
>>
>> This depends on how the service is set up. One could suggest that if 
>> such required messages from the registrar do not reach the 
>> registrant, it could become the providers' obligation to perform the 
>> information requirements on its own. The registrar could then rely on 
>> the provider to perform its duties under the accreditation agreement 
>> with ICANN just at it performs its own obligations under the RAA.
>>
>> Please also remember that the registrars obligation only extends to 
>> the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain name 
>> with permission of that registrant.
>>
>> V.
>>
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