[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2

Tue Mar 4 13:29:39 UTC 2014

Kathy, on the Nominet study, please note the information in the updated
template for Cat B question 2 that was circulated last week. (see attached).
I reached out to Lesley Cowley last week and she informed me that
unfortunately the study is not publicly available. However, should there be
any specific questions in relation to the data on opt-out, she would be do
her best to try and assist.

Best regards,

Marika

From:  Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
Date:  Tuesday 4 March 2014 14:23
To:  "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject:  Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B,
questions 1 and 2

What Volker writes below makes sense to me, All.  Provided the agreed upon
2013 RAA review of data has been done by someone, I don't see why we should
duplicate it. The scope of our WG is p/p providers affiliated with
registrars -- so coordination of the review of the data, per the ICANN
rules, in conjunction with the Registrar makes perfect sense to me.

As does a "no-privacy penalty." What we have found (Nominet and others --
BTW no one on staff reached out to me to help dig out this study, can we do
that this week?) is that when people know their data is private and
protected, it is more accurate.  That makes sense and complies with
government advice from all corners. Even the US Federal Trade Commission
says not to give out your name and phone number in a way that is open and
unprotected! 

So I think we are already headed towards more accurate data...
Best,
Kathy
:
> Hi Steven,
> 
> if we can limit that obligation to those cases where no validation of the
> underlying data has been performed by the registrar of record, we might be
> getting somewhere. An independent obligation that duplicates work already done
> will help no one and confuse many.
> 
> Volker
> 
> 
> 
> Am 03.03.2014 19:51, schrieb Metalitz, Steven:
>> Thanks Volker.  It is precisely because ³the registrars obligation only
>> extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain
>> name with permission of that registrant,² that there should be an independent
>> obligation on the part of the p/p service provider to validate its customer¹s
>> contact information.
>>  
>> Steve.
>> 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net]
>> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:32 AM
>> To: Metalitz, Steven; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B,
>> questions 1 and 2
>>  
>> Hi Steven,
>> 
>> Even when this assertion is relevant, it may not be persuasive, for a number
>> of reasons.  For example, the Whois data reminder obligation applies to the
>> registrant of record.  In the case of a proxy service, the registrant or
>> record is the service, not its customer.  If a Whois data reminder is sent to
>> a non-proxy registrant and bounces back, then the RAA requires the registrar
>> to re-verify.  But a data reminder sent to a proxy service will almost never
>> bounce back, and therefore there may be no RAA obligation to re-verify.
>> This is so even if the customer data provided to the service is inaccurate or
>> outdated.   In this circumstance it is up to the p/p service accreditation
>> standards to specify the conditions under which customer data must be
>> re-verified. 
>> 
>> This depends on how the service is set up. One could suggest that if such
>> required messages from the registrar do not reach the registrant, it could
>> become the providers' obligation to perform the information requirements on
>> its own. The registrar could then rely on the provider to perform its duties
>> under the accreditation agreement with ICANN just at it performs its own
>> obligations under the RAA.
>> 
>> Please also remember that the registrars obligation only extends to the
>> registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain name with
>> permission of that registrant.
>> 
>> V.
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