[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2

Tue Mar 4 14:27:08 UTC 2014

Actually that is true. Free email address service providers being more 
regulated would solve many problems.

Volker

Am 04.03.2014 15:19, schrieb James M. Bladel:
> If the objective of identity verification is to crack down on online 
> abuse, then the harms involving email addresses (gmail, yahoo, etc.) 
> would significantly outweigh those caused by domain names.  But our 
> industry appears to be an easier target, I suppose.
>
> J.
>
>
>
> From: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net 
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>
> Date: Tuesday, March 4, 2014 at 3:29
> To: Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net 
> <mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>>, "Metalitz, Steven" <met at msk.com 
> <mailto:met at msk.com>>
> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>" 
> <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, 
> questions 1 and 2
>
> Hi Holly,
>
> "people should not have access to domain names without someone 
> verifying their details"? Really?
>
> So you are saying that over 100 million domain names should not have 
> been registered to their registrants? The status quo for 99.99% of all 
> registrations to date is non-verification and that has worked just 
> fine for now. Sure, there is abuse but so far I have seen no studies 
> that show that increased verification or validation leads to less abuse.
>
> Volker
>
>
>
> Am 04.03.2014 05:47, schrieb Holly Raiche:
>> I have to agree with Steve on this.  People should not have access to 
>> a domain name without someone verifying their details - regardless of 
>> whether those details are made public or not.
>>
>> Holly
>> On 04/03/2014, at 5:51 AM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Volker.  It is precisely because“the registrars obligation 
>>> only extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use 
>>> the domain name with permission of that registrant,” that there 
>>> should be an independent obligation on the part of the p/p service 
>>> provider to validate its customer’s contact information.
>>> Steve.
>>>
>>> *From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net]
>>> *Sent:*Monday, March 03, 2014 5:32 AM
>>> *To:*Metalitz, Steven;gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org 
>>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>> *Subject:*Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat 
>>> B, questions 1 and 2
>>> Hi Steven,
>>>
>>> Even when this assertion is relevant, it may not be persuasive, for 
>>> a number of reasons.  For example, the Whois data reminder 
>>> obligation applies to the registrant of record.  In the case of a 
>>> proxy service, the registrant or record is the service, not its 
>>> customer.  If a Whois data reminder is sent to a non-proxy 
>>> registrant and bounces back, then the RAA requires the registrar to 
>>> re-verify.  But a data reminder sent to a proxy service will almost 
>>> never bounce back, and therefore there may be no RAA obligation to 
>>> re-verify.   This is so even if the customer data provided to the 
>>> service is inaccurate or outdated.   In this circumstance it is up 
>>> to the p/p service accreditation standards to specify the conditions 
>>> under which customer data must be re-verified.
>>>
>>> This depends on how the service is set up. One could suggest that if 
>>> such required messages from the registrar do not reach the 
>>> registrant, it could become the providers' obligation to perform the 
>>> information requirements on its own. The registrar could then rely 
>>> on the provider to perform its duties under the accreditation 
>>> agreement with ICANN just at it performs its own obligations under 
>>> the RAA.
>>>
>>> Please also remember that the registrars obligation only extends to 
>>> the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain name 
>>> with permission of that registrant.
>>>
>>> V.
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