[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2

[Carlton Samuels]

..the objective is 'verified' contact datum/data.  Make the rule for the
general case; we need not be prescriptive here.

We know the RAA 2013 requirements.

So in instant case, I'd define 'verified'. Then I'd avoid all of that
predetermination - that 'messiness' for determining whether the p/p
provider is registrar or not you'd import into this interface and, what
should apply in each case -  simply by making the requirement one for
'verified' contact data.

-Carlton


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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Luc SEUFER <lseufer at dclgroup.eu> wrote:

> So the reasonable option would be to only compel the p/p provider to
> verify those details in cases this party has not already verified them in
> its capacity as registrar?
>
> Whereas we don't have a re-verification but two separate ones that can be
> merged to avoid redundancy.
>
> Any opposition to that?
>
> Luc
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:47, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:
> h.raiche at internode.on.net>> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with Steve on this.  People should not have access to a
> domain name without someone verifying their details - regardless of whether
> those details are made public or not.
>
> Holly
> On 04/03/2014, at 5:51 AM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>
> Thanks Volker.  It is precisely because "the registrars obligation only
> extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain
> name with permission of that registrant," that there should be an
> independent obligation on the part of the p/p service provider to validate
> its customer's contact information.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:32 AM
> To: Metalitz, Steven; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:
> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B,
> questions 1 and 2
>
> Hi Steven,
>
> Even when this assertion is relevant, it may not be persuasive, for a
> number of reasons.  For example, the Whois data reminder obligation applies
> to the registrant of record.  In the case of a proxy service, the
> registrant or record is the service, not its customer.  If a Whois data
> reminder is sent to a non-proxy registrant and bounces back, then the RAA
> requires the registrar to re-verify.  But a data reminder sent to a proxy
> service will almost never bounce back, and therefore there may be no RAA
> obligation to re-verify.   This is so even if the customer data provided to
> the service is inaccurate or outdated.   In this circumstance it is up to
> the p/p service accreditation standards to specify the conditions under
> which customer data must be re-verified.
>
> This depends on how the service is set up. One could suggest that if such
> required messages from the registrar do not reach the registrant, it could
> become the providers' obligation to perform the information requirements on
> its own. The registrar could then rely on the provider to perform its
> duties under the accreditation agreement with ICANN just at it performs its
> own obligations under the RAA.
>
> Please also remember that the registrars obligation only extends to the
> registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain name with
> permission of that registrant.
>
> V.
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