[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Tue Mar 4 20:00:22 UTC 2014
Actually, the objective is validate some data points and verify one of
two others. These terms have been defined in the RAA and to avoid
confusion we should adopt those here. It makes no sense to re-define
either term here, resulting in different definition across policies and
agreements. Consistency should be an aim here as well...
Volker
Am 04.03.2014 19:37, schrieb Carlton Samuels:
> ..the objective is 'verified' contact datum/data. Make the rule for
> the general case; we need not be prescriptive here.
>
> We know the RAA 2013 requirements.
>
> So in instant case, I'd define 'verified'. Then I'd avoid all of that
> predetermination - that 'messiness' for determining whether the p/p
> provider is registrar or not you'd import into this interface and,
> what should apply in each case - simply by making the requirement one
> for 'verified' contact data.
>
> -Carlton
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> On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Luc SEUFER <lseufer at dclgroup.eu
> <mailto:lseufer at dclgroup.eu>> wrote:
>
> So the reasonable option would be to only compel the p/p provider
> to verify those details in cases this party has not already
> verified them in its capacity as registrar?
>
> Whereas we don't have a re-verification but two separate ones that
> can be merged to avoid redundancy.
>
> Any opposition to that?
>
> Luc
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:47, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net
> <mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net><mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net <mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>>>
> wrote:
>
> I have to agree with Steve on this. People should not have access
> to a domain name without someone verifying their details -
> regardless of whether those details are made public or not.
>
> Holly
> On 04/03/2014, at 5:51 AM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:
>
> Thanks Volker. It is precisely because "the registrars obligation
> only extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may
> use the domain name with permission of that registrant," that
> there should be an independent obligation on the part of the p/p
> service provider to validate its customer's contact information.
>
> Steve.
>
>
> From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net
> <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>]
> Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 5:32 AM
> To: Metalitz, Steven; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates
> Cat B, questions 1 and 2
>
> Hi Steven,
>
> Even when this assertion is relevant, it may not be persuasive,
> for a number of reasons. For example, the Whois data reminder
> obligation applies to the registrant of record. In the case of a
> proxy service, the registrant or record is the service, not its
> customer. If a Whois data reminder is sent to a non-proxy
> registrant and bounces back, then the RAA requires the registrar
> to re-verify. But a data reminder sent to a proxy service will
> almost never bounce back, and therefore there may be no RAA
> obligation to re-verify. This is so even if the customer data
> provided to the service is inaccurate or outdated. In this
> circumstance it is up to the p/p service accreditation standards
> to specify the conditions under which customer data must be
> re-verified.
>
> This depends on how the service is set up. One could suggest that
> if such required messages from the registrar do not reach the
> registrant, it could become the providers' obligation to perform
> the information requirements on its own. The registrar could then
> rely on the provider to perform its duties under the accreditation
> agreement with ICANN just at it performs its own obligations under
> the RAA.
>
> Please also remember that the registrars obligation only extends
> to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use the domain
> name with permission of that registrant.
>
> V.
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