[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 18 March 2014 at 1500 UTC

Terri Agnew terri.agnew at icann.org
Tue Mar 18 16:45:46 UTC 2014

Dear All,


Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services
Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 18 March 2014 at
15:00 UTC at:




On page: 



The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master
Calendar page:

 <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/



Luc Seufer - RrSG

Volker Greimann - RrSG

Graeme Bunton - RrSG

Tim Ruiz - RrSG

Sarah Wyld - RrSG

Steve Metalitz - IPC

Kathy Kleiman - RySGgr

Darcy Southwell - RrSG

Don Blumenthal - RySG

Libby Baney - BC

Phil Marano - IPC

Griffin Barnett - IPC

Valeriya Sherman - IPC

Tatiana Khramtsova - RrSG

Todd Williams - IPC

Roy Balleste - NCUC

Holly Raiche - ALAC

Susan Prosser - RrSG

Kristina Rosette - IPC

Paul McGrady - IPC

Justin Macy - BC

Maria Farrell - NCUC

Ben Anderson - RrSG

Jim Bikoff - IPC

David Heasley - IPC

David Cake - NCSG

Amr Elsadr - NCUC



Michele Neylon - RrSG

Stephanie Perrin- NCSG

Carlton Samuels - ALAC

Don Moody -IPC

Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC

Statton Hammock -RySG

Tobias Sattler - RrSG

Marika Konings - Staff


ICANN staff:

Mary Wong

Amy Bivins

Joe Catapano 

Mike Zupke

Terri Agnew


** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


Mailing list archives:



Wiki page:

 <https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg> https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg


Thank you.

Kind regards,

Terri Agnew





Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 18 March 2014:

  Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 18 March 2014

  Paul McGrady:Good morning, afternoon, or evening, all.

  Graeme Bunton:Good morning all

  Kathy Kleiman:Hi All!

  Val Sherman:Jim Bikoff and David Heasley also on the call

  Mary Wong:Please remember to mute if you are not speaking; and especially
to mute your computer if you are on the phone bridge/speaker phone.

  Volker Greimann:we have some bad echo

  Terri Agnew:Susan Processor has joined

  Terri Agnew:Maria Farell has joined

  Terri Agnew:Ben Anderson has joined

  Terri Agnew:Luc Seufer has joined

  Mary Wong:You should be able to scroll through the document.

  Terri Agnew:Kristina Rosette has joined

  Terri Agnew:David Cake has joined

  Todd Williams:That's a fair characterization of what I argued, thanks Don.

  Kathy Kleiman:Can Mary or Marika please list the sessions/times/places
that Don mentioned for our meetings at the opening of this session?  Tx!

  Mary Wong:If it would be helpful, three distinctions to bear in mind: (1)
"validate" vs "verify"; (2) the Registered Name Holder in a proxy service is
not the "actual" customer but in fact is the service; and (3) the creation
of a P/P accreditation program should apply regardless of whether the
service may be affiliated with a Registrar under the 2009 or 2013 RAA.

  Mary Wong:@Kathy - GNSO weekend update is scheduled for 17:15 Singapore
time on Saturday; WG F2F meeting is scheduled for Thursday 27 March from
0900-1030 local time.

  Kathy Kleiman:Tx Mary - perfect for distributing!

  Mary Wong:Both in the Sophia Room - with RP facilities.

  Luc Seufer:+1 Tim

  Kathy Kleiman:+2 Tim, especially regarding the ability to take action for
clear illegalities even as contact data being sought

  Tim Ruiz:@Mary, and that we are only talking about validating and/or
verifying data, not identities.

  Mary Wong:Further to my note above, there will also be an ALAC session on
Monday, from 1500-1700, to cover Registration Data Directory  Services -
which will also include a discussion of P/P services.

  steve metalitz:@Kathy,how would that action be takenwithout being able to
contact beneficial owner?  

  Kathy Kleiman:@Steve, it depends on the action, doesn't it?  If it is
spam, malware, etc, procedures for takedown or blocking can be pursued.

  Terri Agnew:Amr Elsdr has joined

  Mary Wong:The next question that Steve mentioned reads, in part: "3.
What rights and responsibilities should domain name registrants that use
privacy/proxy services have? What obligations should ICANN-accredited
privacy/proxy service providers have in managing these rights and

  Graeme Bunton:Yep, good point Tim

  Volker Greimann:that's what happens when you share an office

  Paul McGrady:What is the ratio of registrars who remain under the 2009
agreement vs. 2013?

  Volker Greimann:got it 2009, 3.12.4:  In the event that ICANN makes
available a program granting recognition to resellers that escrow privacy or
proxy registration data as detailed above, and reseller meets any other
criteria established by ICANN in accordance with its Bylaws, reseller shall
be permitted to apply to ICANN for such recognition.

  Tim Ruiz:@Volker, not sure exactly what that means or how it applies?

  Mary Wong:@Paul, we will take that back to our colleagues allong with
Tim's related question.

  Mary Wong:@Kathy, the option to cancel the registration (though not
explicitly the right to respond) is mentioned in relation to the quesitons
in the Relay & Reveal categories.

  Mary Wong:(if that helps orient the discussion)

  Kathy Kleiman:@Steve - Transparency is key also.

  Mary Wong:BC, IPC and NCSG have sent responses so far.

  Paul McGrady:I have to leave for another meeting.  Thank you all.  I look
forward to seeing many of you in Singapore.

  Kathy Kleiman:Are there other services or analogies people would like to

  Tim Ruiz:Thanks Don and all!

  Kathy Kleiman:Bye All and Safe Travels!

  Luc Seufer:Thanks Don

  Phil Marano:Thank you, goodbye.

  Graeme Bunton:thanks All




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