[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 06 May 2014 at 1400 UTC

Nathalie Peregrine nathalie.peregrine at icann.org
Tue May 6 20:29:21 UTC 2014


Dear All,


Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services
Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 06 May 2014 at
14:00 UTC at:




On page: 



The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master
Calendar page:

 <http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/> http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/



Luc Seufer - RrSG

Graeme Bunton - RrSG

Tim Ruiz - RrSG

Steve Metalitz - IPC

Kathy Kleiman - RySG

Darcy Southwell - RrSG

Justin Macy - BC

David Heasley - IPC

James Bladel - RrSG

Phil Marano - IPC

Christian Dawson - ISPCP

Griffin Barnett - IPC

Valeriya Sherman - IPC

Alex Deacon - IPC

Laura Jedeed - BC

Sarah Wyld - RrSG

Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP

Carlton Samuels - At-Large

Kristina Rosette - IPC

Holly Raiche - ALAC

Tatiana Khramstova -  RrSG

Maria Farrell - NCUC

John Horton - BC

Michael Palage - RySG

Jim Bikoff - IPC



Don Blumenthal - RySG

Roy Balleste - NCUC

Amr Elsadr - NCUC

Susan Prosser- RrSG

Kiran Malancharuvil - IPC


ICANN staff:

Marika Konings

Mary Wong

Amy Bivins

Nathalie Peregrine


** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **


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Thank you.

Kind regards,






Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 06 May 2014: 

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the PPSAI WG call on the 6th May

  Kathy K:Echoes...

  Kathy K:Good morning, All

  Paul McGrady:Good morning!

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Paul LcGrady and Darcy Southwell have joined

  Nathalie  Peregrine:McGrady, apologies

  Paul McGrady:I like LGrady.  Sounds French & sophisticated!

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Fitting like  a glove I am sure :)

  Bladel:"predicate question"  maybe?

  Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all,  

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Hello Osvaldo, I have noted you for attendance

  Mary Wong:We will note the reason for the "threshold question" in the
draft report when the time comes, if that helps.

  John Horton:I don't want to jump the queue, but happy to respond if

  Graeme Bunton:thanks John

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the call

  Kristina Rosette:Greetings!  Apologies for being late.

  Tim Ruiz:Responding to abuse, yes, but not determining what abuse is. And
whois is not content or use.

  Tim Ruiz:+1 James. What is the problem we are trying to solve?

  Kathy K:The cost-benefit analysis makes sense

  Bladel:@Kathy:  Cost-Benefit.  And a clear understanding that this is the
ONLY way to address it.

  Stephanie Perrin:risk Mitigation, that is the word I was groping for...

  Kathy K:@Bladel: Agreed

  Bladel:I agree with Mike P.  Which might mean that ICANN is doomed if it's
taking on global content issues....

  Luc Seufer:Or we could also point out the lazyness of "complainants"...

  Graeme Bunton:Lets queue please

  Luc Seufer:(apaprently a whois request on a domain name is easier than one
on an IP address)

  Bladel:PICs are not automatically incompabilble with P/P services.

  steve metalitz:Agree we should queue rather than debate ad hoc

  Holly Raiche:@ Kathy - congratulations

  Nathalie  Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the call

  Carlton Samuels:Howdy everybody

  Kathy K:Hi Carlton!

  Kathy K:Tx Holly - the Seattle Film Festival is very exciting!

  Carlton Samuels:Hi Kathy, good to see you

  Kathy K:+1 Stephanie - and here's to the girls' schools in Pakistan

  Val Sherman:+1 to girls' schools in Pakistan!

  Stephanie Perrin:+1 Tim, give small business choice

  Carlton Samuels:@TIM; +1 on how most regulators view id of commercial

  maria farrell:I'm in the queue also

  Kathy K:+

  Nathalie  Peregrine:please mute all mics and phones when not speaking

  Phil Marano:Still getting a bad echo.

  Phil Marano:ok

  Kathy K:+1 Tim on the loss of domain names if you violate the terms of use

  Carlton Samuels:Apropos, FWIW, I cannot see a compelling reason to deny
P/P services to any entity, including commercial ones, so long as the rules
apply across the board

  maria farrell:+1 Carlton

  Bladel:I don't even know if I speak for my employer half the time.... :)

  Osvaldo Novoa:+1 Carlton

  Kathy K:+1 Holly

  Val Sherman:+1 Holly

  steve metalitz:@Graeme, IPC's position, as stated in our submission, is
that the answer to the threshold question should be "no."   

  Tim Ruiz:Speaking for myself, the answer to the threshold question should
be No.

  Kathy K:And the NCSG's position on the threshold question, as stated in
our submission is also 'no." 

  Carlton Samuels:@Stephanie: +1, this is the situation in  some common law
jurisdictions. IOn can be a sole proprietor  trading in your own name

  Holly Raiche:I think we are saying it is toohard - address the response

  Kathy K:subgroup??

  Bladel:@Kathy - our homework. :)

  Carlton Samuels:BTW, pardon my joining late, ID the Chair please?

  Kathy K:ah hah :-)

  Graeme Bunton:Myself, Graeme Bunton

  Bladel:I can update the WG on our work on this topic, if desired.

  Carlton Samuels:Aaahh, hi Graeme. Well done sah

  Tim Ruiz:This subgroup does not mean that the WG will be held up in any
way from moving forward on the other questions, right? 

  Kathy K:@Tim, no delay to the WG.

  Carlton Samuels:@Transfers: FWIW the EWG had extensive discussions on
these various states of data pre and post trnasfer

  Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1. Key objectives are to preserve information and
extend choice

  Carlton Samuels:...extend choice..

  Paul McGrady:Kathy/James, thanks for looking into this!

  Bladel:Sorry, I mis spoke.  

  maria farrell:old hand, sorry!

  Tim Ruiz:Thanks Graeme! Bye all.

  steve metalitz:thanks graeme.  

  Carlton Samuels:Oh thanks Kathy. That was going to be my question for

  Luc Seufer:@Kathy because ICANN

  Kathy K:@Luc :-)

  Tim Ruiz:But only on the threshold question. Otherwise, it  is then not
really a threshold question, right?

  Kathy K:Tx for chairing Graeme!

  Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: Except for fixing questions that might have
implications for content. We should not be going down that road

  Carlton Samuels:Thnaks Graeme

  Kathy K:Agreed Carlton!

  Bladel:Thanks, folks.

  Phil Marano:Thank you!

  Luc Seufer:Merci Graeme



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