[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Wed May 21 13:46:12 UTC 2014
Hi Steve,
accreditation makes most sense for operators that have no affiliation
with ICANN already. Operators that are affiliated with registrars can
already be bound by policy and existing agreements affecting registrars.
In other words, if a registrar is required to only deal with accredited
privacy service providers or such service providers affiliated with a
registrar, the same rules would still apply to both, but the
registrar-affiliated provider would not have to be obtain an additional
accreditation. The RAA already has a spec requiring registrar-affiliated
services to fulfill certain requirements. This could be amended/updated
to refer to specific requirements that apply to accredited service
providers. In other words, the same rules would apply, but there would
be one less hoop to jump.
Volker
Am 21.05.2014 15:32, schrieb Metalitz, Steven:
>
> The "alternative" suggestion could be the easiest way to solve two
> problems: identifying the accredited providers, and identifying which
> registrations they are responsible for.
>
> I am not sure I understand the last point. What is the objection to
> maintaining the requirement that registrars may knowingly deal only
> with accredited providers, once accreditation is in place? This
> includes but it not limited to their affiliated providers, who should
> be subject to the same accreditation standards as non-affiliated
> providers.
>
> Steve
>
> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Volker
> Greimann
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 9:19 AM
> *To:* Michele Neylon - Blacknight; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
>
> I do not see it as necessary. Any such service provider will in its
> own best interest somehow identify himself as a p/p service provider
> within the current whois details, either as part of the name of the
> service or in some other way. A whois privacy service not identifying
> itself as such would have a more difficult position if it needs to
> evidence the fact it did not register the domain for itself if this is
> not somehow evident in the whois already.
>
> Adding an additional tag or flag to the whois seems to be superfluous
> with that in mind. Having to implement something that makes no sense
> seems like a waste of ressources.
>
> Alternatively, why not simply let ICANN post a list of accredited
> service providers and require them to have their name included in the
> whois details?
>
> One further thought. It seems superfluous to require
> registrar-affiliated services to get accredited. Better propose an
> amendment to the RAA that all requirements with regard to whois
> details, relay and reveal, etc for accredited service providers also
> apply to registrar-affiliated service providers. Thoughts?
>
> V.
>
> Am 21.05.2014 14:52, schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>
> Volker
>
> Would you have an issue with there being an extra "flag" to
> indicate that a domain was using a PP?
>
> M
>
> --
> Mr Michele Neylon
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> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Volker
> Greimann
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:55 AM
> *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
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> Agreed.
>
> 1) There is no compelling reason to exclude potentially legal use
> of privacy services.
> 2) The service provided essentially remains the same, therefore no
> differentiation in the whois output is necessary.
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 21.05.2014 00:06, schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>
> Personally I think two things:
>
> 1 -- P/P services should be open to anyone who wants to use them
>
> 2 -- the display in whois should be the same no matter who or
> what has registered the domain
>
> With respect to point 2, I don't have any issue with there
> being a "flag" of some kind to indicate that a registration
> record is using an accredited P/P
>
> Regards
>
> Michele
>
> --
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> Mr Michele Neylon
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> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
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> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Metalitz, Steven
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:07 PM
> *To:* 'Marika Konings'; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
>
> Thanks to all participants on today's call. Following up on
> requests made on the call ----
>
> Regarding Don's draft preliminary text regarding questions
> C(threshold), C 1 and C2, please circulate your comments and
> (especially welcomed!) proposed edits. Don's draft is
> re-attached here for ready reference.
>
> Regarding question C.3: If the following applies to you,
> please respond on the list:
>
> IF you believe that privacy/proxy services ought to be open to
> commercial entities under some circumstances, THEN should
> there be a difference in the data displayed for such
> registrations (vs. what is displayed for p/p registrations by
> natural persons)? If the answer is YES, please specify the
> differences.
>
> For myself I will say that my answer is NO, but I hope that
> any YES people will step forward on the list.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Steve Metalitz, vice chair
>
> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Marika Konings
> *Sent:* Monday, May 19, 2014 3:39 PM
> *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting
>
> Dear All,
>
> Please find below the proposed agenda for tomorrow's PPSAI WG
> Meeting.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Marika
>
> *Proposed Agenda -- PPSAI WG Meeting -- 20 May 2014*
>
> 1. Roll Call / SOI
> 2. Review proposed preliminary conclusion for threshold
> question, C1 and C2 (as circulated by Don)
> 3. Review C3 -- is additional response/discussion needed in
> light of item 2? (see template attached)
> 4. Continue deliberations on D1 (see updated template attached)
> 5. Next steps / confirm next meeting
>
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