[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list

Wed May 21 22:57:48 UTC 2014

I agree with the questions being asked (below) - just to let everyone know the views are widely shared (I will not use terms like overwhelming majority - but pointing to significant agreement)

- The use of P/P should be open to all
- The P/P provider is identified in the ‘registrant line’

- I am still a bit unclear on identifying a registrant as commercial or otherwise, given that, as Kathy and others have said on calls, many websites will be used for both commercial and non commercial purposes
- Is what is being asked that, if the registrant will use the website (amongst other uses) for a commercial purpose, that there be a mechanism to identify that there is a commercial purpose.  And if the answer is yes, can this work as anything other than a voluntary identification by the applicant? (and does this require a separate field of some kind?)
- Will this voluntary identification make any difference in the response of a P/P provider when asked for information - and if so, what would that be (particularly since the commercial use is voluntarily identified)
- Isn’t the real issue how the P/P provider responds to requests for information about the registrant - regardless of their status as commercial/non-commercial (should there be a difference and, if so, how and why)

Holly

On 22 May 2014, at 1:19 am, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com> wrote:

> I share the questions James is raising.  All, I thought we already agreed that accredited p/p providers have to identify themselves in the "Registrant line" of the Whois listing. So that it is obvious to someone reviewing the Whois record what they are seeking, and who to contact for the underlying customer information.  In that case, do we still need a new flag?
> 
> Best,
> Kathy
> :
>> Are we talking about a new kind of status?  I think any flag would have to be in the data field itself.  The P/P provider cannot create a new field for the “flag” or set /clear flags in WHOIS.  That’s the Registrar.
>> 
>> For example, if there is some future equivalent to IANA ID numbers for P/P services, they should append this to their name in WHOIS.   
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 at 7:52 
>> To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
>> 
>> Volker
>>  
>> Would you have an issue with there being an extra "flag" to indicate that a domain was using a PP?
>>  
>> M
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>> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
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>> Agreed. 
>> 
>> 1) There is no compelling reason to exclude potentially legal use of privacy services. 
>> 2) The service provided essentially remains the same, therefore no differentiation in the whois output is necessary. 
>> 
>> Volker
>> 
>> 
>> Am 21.05.2014 00:06, schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
>> Personally I think two things:
>> 1 – P/P services should be open to anyone who wants to use them
>> 2 – the display in whois should be the same no matter who or what has registered the domain
>>  
>> With respect to point 2, I don’t have any issue with there being a “flag” of some kind to indicate that a registration record is using an accredited P/P
>>  
>> Regards
>>  
>> Michele
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>> From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Metalitz, Steven
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:07 PM
>> To: 'Marika Konings'; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list
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>> Thanks to all participants on today’s call.  Following up on requests made on the call ----
>>  
>> Regarding Don’s draft preliminary text regarding questions C(threshold), C 1 and C2, please circulate your comments and (especially welcomed!) proposed edits.  Don’s draft is re-attached here for ready reference.
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>> Regarding question C.3:  If the following applies to you, please respond on the list:
>>  
>> IF you believe that privacy/proxy services ought to be open to commercial entities under some circumstances, THEN should there be a difference in the data displayed for such registrations (vs. what is displayed for p/p registrations by natural persons)?  If the answer is YES, please specify the differences.  
>>  
>> For myself I will say that my answer is NO, but I hope that any YES people will step forward on the list. 
>>  
>> Thanks!
>>  
>> Steve Metalitz, vice chair
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>> From:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika Konings
>> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 3:39 PM
>> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting
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>> Dear All,
>>  
>> Please find below the proposed agenda for tomorrow's PPSAI WG Meeting.
>>  
>> Best regards,
>>  
>> Marika
>>  
>> Proposed Agenda – PPSAI WG Meeting – 20 May 2014
>> Roll Call / SOI
>> Review proposed preliminary conclusion for threshold question, C1 and C2 (as circulated by Don)
>> Review C3 – is additional response/discussion needed in light of item 2? (see template attached)
>> Continue deliberations on D1 (see updated template attached)
>> Next steps / confirm next meeting
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