[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list

Thu May 22 15:25:46 UTC 2014

Thanks Marika.  The WG's conclusion on this point seems sufficient.  +1 on Kathy's comment. I don't think that chasing down the possibility of a specialize flag in the WHOIS field will be worth the time and effort.

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From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Marika Konings
Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 7:23 AM
To: Kathy Kleiman; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list

Per Kathy's email, I thought it might be helpful to remind you of the WG's Preliminary Conclusion for Question B-1: 'The WG agrees that domain name registrations involving privacy/proxy service providers should be clearly labeled as such in Whois. The WG observes that there may be various ways to implement this recommendation in order to achieve this objective and suggests that the feasibility and effectiveness of these options is further explored as part of the implementation process. As an example, it was suggested that P/P services could be required to provide the registration data in a uniform / standard format that would make it clear that the domain name registration involves a P/P service such as entering in the field for registrant information 'Service Name, on behalf of customer' (in the case of a proxy service this could then include a number, customer #512, while in the case of a privacy service it would include the actual customer name). Following submission of this information to the registrar, this information would then be displayed in Whois making it clearly identifiable as a domain name registration involving a P/P service'.

Best regards,

Marika

From: Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com<mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>>
Date: Wednesday 21 May 2014 17:19
To: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list

I share the questions James is raising.  All, I thought we already agreed that accredited p/p providers have to identify themselves in the "Registrant line" of the Whois listing. So that it is obvious to someone reviewing the Whois record what they are seeking, and who to contact for the underlying customer information.  In that case, do we still need a new flag?

Best,
Kathy
:
Are we talking about a new kind of status?  I think any flag would have to be in the data field itself.  The P/P provider cannot create a new field for the "flag" or set /clear flags in WHOIS.  That's the Registrar.

For example, if there is some future equivalent to IANA ID numbers for P/P services, they should append this to their name in WHOIS.

J.

From: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com<mailto:michele at blacknight.com>>
Date: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 at 7:52
To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list

Volker

Would you have an issue with there being an extra "flag" to indicate that a domain was using a PP?

M

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Agreed.

1) There is no compelling reason to exclude potentially legal use of privacy services.
2) The service provided essentially remains the same, therefore no differentiation in the whois output is necessary.

Volker

Am 21.05.2014 00:06, schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:
Personally I think two things:
1 - P/P services should be open to anyone who wants to use them
2 - the display in whois should be the same no matter who or what has registered the domain

With respect to point 2, I don't have any issue with there being a "flag" of some kind to indicate that a registration record is using an accredited P/P

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Michele

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Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list

Thanks to all participants on today's call.  Following up on requests made on the call ----

Regarding Don's draft preliminary text regarding questions C(threshold), C 1 and C2, please circulate your comments and (especially welcomed!) proposed edits.  Don's draft is re-attached here for ready reference.

Regarding question C.3:  If the following applies to you, please respond on the list:

IF you believe that privacy/proxy services ought to be open to commercial entities under some circumstances, THEN should there be a difference in the data displayed for such registrations (vs. what is displayed for p/p registrations by natural persons)?  If the answer is YES, please specify the differences.

For myself I will say that my answer is NO, but I hope that any YES people will step forward on the list.

Thanks!

Steve Metalitz, vice chair

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Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting

Dear All,

Please find below the proposed agenda for tomorrow's PPSAI WG Meeting.

Best regards,

Marika

Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting - 20 May 2014

  1.  Roll Call / SOI
  2.  Review proposed preliminary conclusion for threshold question, C1 and C2 (as circulated by Don)
  3.  Review C3 - is additional response/discussion needed in light of item 2? (see template attached)
  4.  Continue deliberations on D1 (see updated template attached)
  5.  Next steps / confirm next meeting

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