[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Issue-spotting for the WG's preliminary recommendations
Volker Greimann
vgreimann at key-systems.net
Tue Aug 18 16:00:53 UTC 2015
Terri,
I am not saying you did not have influence, but you were not at the
negotiation table. You were part of the group of external inputters
consulted by the negotiators and I thank you for making yourself
available for that. Yet you were not "at the table" for the
negotiations. The negotiations were a two-party thing.
Volker
Am 18.08.2015 um 17:46 schrieb Terri Stumme:
> Volker, with all due respect, the law enforcement coalition was
> certainly involved in the negotiations. Law enforcement had meetings
> with the registrars (ICANN staff present), and also met with ICANN
> staff separately, as did the registrars, to discuss and resolve the
> issues that arose from the original RAA LE recommendations. I
> therefore object to your conclusion that I was not at the table or
> part of the negotiations. I was part of the LE coalition throughout
> the entire process.
>
> If the definition as it is written in the RAA is not the common
> understanding or accepted interpretation of the Registrars, then the
> definition should be revisited for modification in the RAA, not
> changed for purposes of the PPSAI report.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 6:42 AM, Volker Greimann
> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>
> Terri, with all due respect, the language was negotiated between
> ICANN staff and registrars. LEAs may have had a hand in suggesting
> language for inclusion, but was not at the table or part of the
> negotiations. You were definitely not "involved in the
> negotiations", but you were invited to provide input.
>
> I therefore object to your conclusion that your interpretation
> reflects what the parties intended. It may very well have been the
> intention of LEAs when they suggested the language, but it was not
> the common understanding or accepted interpretation when
> registrars discussed the language with ICANN and agreed to it.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 17.08.2015 um 21:03 schrieb Terri Stumme:
>> In regard to Section 3.18.2 of the RAA -- the language is written
>> and encompasses the exact meaning of what was submitted by LE,
>> and accepted by the Registrars during the LE/Registrar
>> negotiations. During the time that the RAA was negotiated, I
>> worked for the US Drug Enforcement Administration and was
>> involved in the negotiations.
>> I believe it is inappropriate to attempt to undermine the intent
>> of this section, or attempt to modify it in any way -- the
>> language means exactly what it says and was intended to mean.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 11:41 AM, Volker Greimann
>> <vgreimann at key-systems.net <mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Can we rephrase the responses to sound more neutral as to the
>> result?
>>
>> 3. Response to Question 3: Does proposed requirement to label
>> p/p registrations as such have an impact on the benefit or
>> value of such registration and if what should be the result
>> of this? (Comments 18, 25, 31)
>>
>>
>> 4. Response to Question 8: Should providers be
>> required to forward all disclosure requests to customers,
>> unless prohibited by law? (Comments 17, 29) (I.e., should
>> this feature of Annex E be made applicable to all disclosure
>> requests, not just those relating to intellectual property?)
>>
>> 5. Response to Question 8: Should the option of registration
>> cancellation in lieu of disclosure be maintained or
>> prohibited? (Comments 24, 31)
>> (Please also note that the cancellation of the registration
>> may not even be a tool in the toolkit of the privacy
>> provider, depending on his degree of integration with the
>> registrar.)
>>
>> The law enforcement authority as discussed for the RAA was
>> supposed to only include official state-run law enforcement
>> bodies and such agencies designated by law with certain
>> powers comparable to official LEAs. We have seen a small
>> number of cases where the language was later used beyond what
>> was intended to organizations that received no more than a
>> latter from a government agency supporting that organizations
>> work.
>> Our definition therefore should limit the scope of LEAs to
>> that originally intended definition, not the unintended
>> definition the language currently allows.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Volker
>>
>>
>> Am 14.08.2015 um 23:50 schrieb Metalitz, Steven:
>>>
>>> Pursuant to Mary’s request, I suggest the following
>>> additional issues raised in comments contained in the public
>>> comment tool document summarized, for possible consideration
>>> by the WG:
>>>
>>> 3. Response to Question 3: Should the proposed requirement
>>> to label p/p registrations as such be dispensed with because
>>> it reduces the benefit or value of such registration?
>>> (Comments 18, 25, 31)
>>>
>>> 4. Response to Question 8: Should providers be required to
>>> forward all disclosure requests to customers, unless
>>> prohibited by law? (Comments 17, 29) (I.e., should this
>>> feature of Annex E be made applicable to all disclosure
>>> requests, not just those relating to intellectual property?)
>>>
>>> 5. Response to Question 8: Should the option of
>>> registration cancellation in lieu of disclosure be
>>> prohibited? (Comments 24, 31)
>>>
>>> In addition, with regard to issue #2 as summarized below
>>> (“law enforcement authority” definition): since the
>>> definition in our initial report was copied from the 2013
>>> RAA, can any registrars in our group report on whether or
>>> not this definition has thus far caused difficulties in the
>>> RAA context (e.g., have there been problems in determining
>>> whether a complaint from a “quasi-governmental entity”
>>> should be handled under RAA section 3.18.2, with its 24-hour
>>> time limit, rather than under 3.18.1)?
>>>
>>> Steve Metalitz
>>>
>>> *From:*gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>
>>> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Mary Wong
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:04 PM
>>> *To:* gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>>> <mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>> *Subject:* [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Issue-spotting for the WG's
>>> preliminary recommendations
>>>
>>> Dear WG members,
>>>
>>> As noted on the WG call earlier today, please send to this
>>> your suggestions for issues arising out of specific public
>>> comments received on the WG’s Preliminary Recommendations #1
>>> through #9 that you think should be discussed by the broader
>>> WG.
>>>
>>> From the call today, two issues with Recommendation #1 were
>>> identified for WG consideration:
>>>
>>> * Whether the definitions include lawyers and law firms
>>> that provide proxy registration services for their
>>> clients other than as a primary business offering;
>>> * The possible breadth/vagueness of the proposed
>>> definition of “law enforcement authority” as including
>>> quasi-governmental and other entities
>>>
>>> Since the WG Public Comment Review Tool for these nine
>>> recommendations have been in circulation since 20 July,
>>> please treat this email as a “last call” for issue-spotting
>>> concerning these nine recommendations – as such, *please
>>> send any issues you spot to this list by Friday 14 August.
>>> Please also indicate in your email which
>>> comment(s)/commenter(s) you are referring to as raising the
>>> issue(s) you identify. *Note that, as confirmed during the
>>> WG call today, this exercise is for purposes of
>>> issue-spotting only at the moment rather than final
>>> resolution, which will depend on further discussions, as
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>> Staff will compile the issues so identified for review by
>>> the WG on our next call.
>>>
>>> Thanks and cheers
>>>
>>> Mary
>>>
>>> Mary Wong
>>>
>>> Senior Policy Director
>>>
>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>>>
>>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 <tel:%2B1%20603%20574%204889>
>>>
>>> Email: mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>> /Terri Stumme/
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Volker A. Greimann
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