[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Fwd: Re: A proposed approach for reviewing public comments - reasonable time for review and evaluation
Stephanie Perrin
stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed Jul 15 16:10:17 UTC 2015
+1 to Volker and Phil and James B, as well as of course all others
looking for more time. Let's take this seriously, folks. Some of us
who are are on other WGs are also all stretched beyond capacity. I
expect staff are as well.
Stephanie P
On 2015-07-15 12:05, Volker Greimann wrote:
> Agreed. We should be extra careful to use this opportunity not just to
> look at the questions we asked, but put the entire first report to the
> test of the comments. If we did anything less, we would ignore the
> essence of the comments.
>
> This includes the question of why an accreditation system is
> preferrable to any other method of achieving those goals, btw.
>
> Best,
>
> Volker
>
>
> Am 15.07.2015 um 17:58 schrieb James M. Bladel:
>> While I agree with previous commenters, I'd like to point out that it
>> isn't just the volume of comments received that will require more
>> time to review, but rather the substantive "holes" or "gaps"
>> identified during this process that we need to address. Whether these
>> had come from thousands of comments or just a handful, I believe they
>> will take more time to process.
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> J.
>> ____________
>> James Bladel
>> GoDaddy
>>
>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:28, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com
>> <mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1.
>>>
>>> Kathy's arguments offered in favour of more time to usefully treat
>>> the comments are impatient of debate.
>>>
>>> -Carlton
>>>
>>>
>>> ==============================
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>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Kathy Kleiman
>>> <kathy at kathykleiman.com <mailto:kathy at kathykleiman.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All, I posted this email earlier today, but have not seen it
>>> pop up the list. Resending...
>>> Best,
>>> Kathy
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> All,
>>> I agree with the emails of Volker and James G. that we have to
>>> do a thorough review of the comments. I also agree with the
>>> expansion of the time frame to do it.
>>>
>>> The last time we had such an outpouring of comments at ICANN
>>> that I can remember was the Closed Generic proceeding and
>>> comments to the Board. Dozens of comments flowed in from parties
>>> who do not traditionally participate in ICANN processes. The
>>> Board took the time to read, evaluate and respond to the comments.
>>>
>>> Here too we must take the time to read, evaluate and respond to
>>> the comments. As Volker points out, the issues before us are not
>>> only the questions we issued, but the consensus we presented. Do
>>> others agree with our consensus? Do they support our
>>> direction? Would they push it more in one direction or another
>>> or reject it outright?
>>>
>>> One thing I have seen in my skimming of the comments is a lot of
>>> discussion of Due Process. There appears to be a good amount of
>>> commentary on this issue, and one we will need to read and
>>> evaluate closely.
>>>
>>> Over the year of our work we have talked often about the month
>>> of August. How it is a time that many in certain countries take
>>> long vacations; how emails to business addresses are often
>>> unanswered until the person returns to her/his desk. I think a
>>> rush on this in the dead of summer is a) unnecessary b) will not
>>> result in full staffing of the teams that we are setting up and
>>> c) will not give us the time for the evaluation, analysis and
>>> incorporation that we need.
>>>
>>> Analysis, evaluation, incorporation -- this is a very important
>>> task for us now.
>>> Best,
>>> Kathy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/15/2015 5:50 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> considering the outpouring of comments, we should not limit
>>>> ourselves to these three topics but rather try to see how the
>>>> comments affect the entire work so far. It does make sense to
>>>> check the comments for these issues, but not exclusively.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I volunteer for the first team.
>>>>
>>>> I support the sugestion to "collapse" yes and no responses.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Volker
>>>>
>>>> Am 15.07.2015 um 00:50 schrieb Mary Wong:
>>>>> Dear WG members,
>>>>>
>>>>> Following from the WG call earlier today, the co-chairs and
>>>>> staff after some consultation would like to propose the
>>>>> following approach for your consideration:
>>>>>
>>>>> _1. Use of Sub Teams for Specific Topics_:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Sub-teams comprising a few WG volunteers each can be
>>>>> formed to do the initial review of public comments
>>>>> received on the three topics suggested by Steve on the
>>>>> call, i.e. (1) Section 1.3.2 of the Initial Report (on
>>>>> escalation of relay requests and the handling of
>>>>> disclosure/publication requests from third parties other
>>>>> than IP rights holders); (2) Section 1.3.3 (on the open
>>>>> question regarding online financial transactions); and (3)
>>>>> Annex E (the Illustrative Disclosure Framework).
>>>>> * To assist the WG evaluate the usefulness of sub teams, a
>>>>> sub team for Section 1.3.2 can be formed first and serve
>>>>> as a “test case” for the exercise.
>>>>> * As outlined on the call, a sub team will do a “first pass”
>>>>> through a template, based on the Public Comment Review
>>>>> Tool, that staff will populate with all the input received
>>>>> on that particular issue. The sub team will report back to
>>>>> the full WG in a timely fashion, including suggesting a WG
>>>>> response and/or proposed action in relation to the
>>>>> comments received.
>>>>> * Sub teams may elect to do their work via email and online
>>>>> tools (e.g. Google Docs or a wiki page), with or without
>>>>> supplemental conference calls. Any calls will be recorded
>>>>> and transcribed for transparency purposes, and drafts and
>>>>> other documents prepared using online tools will also be
>>>>> made available to the full WG. (Do note, however, that
>>>>> depending on call scheduling and timing, staff support may
>>>>> not be available for all requested calls if several sub
>>>>> teams are used concurrently.)
>>>>>
>>>>> *PLEASE VOLUNTEER FOR SUB TEAM 1.3.2 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN
>>>>> ASSISTING WITH THIS INITIAL REVIEW. *Staff will endeavor to
>>>>> provide the template tool for 1.3.2 to the sub team as soon as
>>>>> possible, hopefully by Monday.
>>>>>
>>>>> _2. Full WG Review of Other Comments to Continue in Parallel_:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Staff will “collapse” (per James’ suggestion on the call)
>>>>> all those template responses received that were simply a
>>>>> Yes or No answer to a question, without any further
>>>>> comment added – these will be reflected in the Public
>>>>> Comment Review Tool accordingly, as a single collective
>>>>> entry. The current Tool (covering Preliminary
>>>>> Recommendations 1 through 9) will be updated in time for
>>>>> the WG to begin this review on the next call.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _3. Collated Information_:
>>>>>
>>>>> * In addition to the updated spreadsheet just circulated by
>>>>> Graeme, we can also send you archived mail files of the
>>>>> contributions received to the public comment forum, should
>>>>> you or your group wish to conduct searches through each
>>>>> comment yourselves.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We hope the above will be helpful in facilitating good
>>>>> progress on the work to be done in preparation for the Final
>>>>> Report.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and cheers
>>>>> Mary
>>>>>
>>>>> Mary Wong
>>>>> Senior Policy Director
>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 <tel:%2B1%20603%20574%204889>
>>>>> Email: mary.wong at icann.org <mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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