[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Fwd: Re: A proposed approach for reviewing public comments - reasonable time for review and evaluation
Darcy Southwell
darcy.southwell at endurance.com
Wed Jul 15 22:14:55 UTC 2015
I echo the sentiments of many previous commenters we have to give the
substance of the comments due attention. Extending the work plan seems
absolutely necessary.
I think we should approach automation of comment filtering cautiously to
ensure we are not filtering out comments that may not necessarily speak to
the WG¹s specific recommendations but still express opinions about P/P
services and accreditation in general.
I will volunteer for sub-team 3 re Annex E (if we keep the 3 sub-team
concepts in Mary¹s original email).
Thanks,
Darcy
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Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2015 at 10:06 AM
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Fwd: Re: A proposed approach for reviewing
public comments - reasonable time for review and evaluation
Just reread that and it may have come across wrong, for clarity or any
other reasonable timeline proposed by the chairs or other WG members.
-James
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If we can agree as a WG to the extended timeline I¹ve proposed then I¹m sure
we can look at how we are going to categorize the various comments before we
move into the analysis phase.
-James
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Fwd: Re: A proposed approach for reviewing
public comments - reasonable time for review and evaluation
I agree with the extended timeline. I would also like to propose that prior
to establishing sub-teams that further effort be expended on a technical
solution for sorting the public comments. Thus far, I've pulled out 453
comments that state (and I'm sure there are hundreds more):
"Regarding the proposed rules governing companies that provide WHOIS
privacyservices (as set forth in the Privacy and Policy Services
AccreditationIssues Policy document): I urge you to respect internet users
rights toprivacy and due process.Everyone deserves the right to privacy. No
one's personal informationshould be revealed without a court order,
regardless of whether the requestcomes from a private individual or law
enforcement agency.Private information should be kept private. Thank you."
I am sure that the NameCheap "canned" submissions will net thousands, also.
Perhaps we need to step back and consider the time we could save in the end
by expending a little more time up front by developing an automated process
to sort through at least some of these comments.
Thanks for consideration.
On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 12:25 PM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
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> Agree with all previous comments ..
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> public comments - reasonable time for review and evaluation
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> +1 to Volker and Phil and James B, as well as of course all others looking for
> more time. Let's take this seriously, folks. Some of us who are are on other
> WGs are also all stretched beyond capacity. I expect staff are as well.
> Stephanie P
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> On 2015-07-15 12:05, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>
>> Agreed. We should be extra careful to use this opportunity not just to look
>> at the questions we asked, but put the entire first report to the test of the
>> comments. If we did anything less, we would ignore the essence of the
>> comments.
>>
>> This includes the question of why an accreditation system is preferrable to
>> any other method of achieving those goals, btw.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Volker
>>
>> Am 15.07.2015 um 17:58 schrieb James M. Bladel:
>>>
>>> While I agree with previous commenters, I'd like to point out that it isn't
>>> just the volume of comments received that will require more time to review,
>>> but rather the substantive "holes" or "gaps" identified during this process
>>> that we need to address. Whether these had come from thousands of comments
>>> or just a handful, I believe they will take more time to process.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> J.
>>>
>>> ____________
>>>
>>> James Bladel
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Jul 15, 2015, at 10:28, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> +1.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kathy's arguments offered in favour of more time to usefully treat the
>>>> comments are impatient of debate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Carlton
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 10:20 AM, Kathy Kleiman <kathy at kathykleiman.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi All, I posted this email earlier today, but have not seen it pop up the
>>>>> list. Resending...
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Kathy
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> All,
>>>>> I agree with the emails of Volker and James G. that we have to do a
>>>>> thorough review of the comments. I also agree with the expansion of the
>>>>> time frame to do it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The last time we had such an outpouring of comments at ICANN that I can
>>>>> remember was the Closed Generic proceeding and comments to the Board.
>>>>> Dozens of comments flowed in from parties who do not traditionally
>>>>> participate in ICANN processes. The Board took the time to read, evaluate
>>>>> and respond to the comments.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here too we must take the time to read, evaluate and respond to the
>>>>> comments. As Volker points out, the issues before us are not only the
>>>>> questions we issued, but the consensus we presented. Do others agree with
>>>>> our consensus? Do they support our direction? Would they push it more in
>>>>> one direction or another or reject it outright?
>>>>>
>>>>> One thing I have seen in my skimming of the comments is a lot of
>>>>> discussion of Due Process. There appears to be a good amount of commentary
>>>>> on this issue, and one we will need to read and evaluate closely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Over the year of our work we have talked often about the month of August.
>>>>> How it is a time that many in certain countries take long vacations; how
>>>>> emails to business addresses are often unanswered until the person returns
>>>>> to her/his desk. I think a rush on this in the dead of summer is a)
>>>>> unnecessary b) will not result in full staffing of the teams that we are
>>>>> setting up and c) will not give us the time for the evaluation, analysis
>>>>> and incorporation that we need.
>>>>>
>>>>> Analysis, evaluation, incorporation -- this is a very important task for
>>>>> us now.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Kathy
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/15/2015 5:50 AM, Volker Greimann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> considering the outpouring of comments, we should not limit ourselves to
>>>>>> these three topics but rather try to see how the comments affect the
>>>>>> entire work so far. It does make sense to check the comments for these
>>>>>> issues, but not exclusively.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That said, I volunteer for the first team.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support the sugestion to "collapse" yes and no responses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Volker
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 15.07.2015 um 00:50 schrieb Mary Wong:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear WG members,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following from the WG call earlier today, the co-chairs and staff after
>>>>>>> some consultation would like to propose the following approach for your
>>>>>>> consideration:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Use of Sub Teams for Specific Topics:
>>>>>>> * Sub-teams comprising a few WG volunteers each can be formed to do the
>>>>>>> initial review of public comments received on the three topics suggested
>>>>>>> by Steve on the call, i.e. (1) Section 1.3.2 of the Initial Report (on
>>>>>>> escalation of relay requests and the handling of disclosure/publication
>>>>>>> requests from third parties other than IP rights holders); (2) Section
>>>>>>> 1.3.3 (on the open question regarding online financial transactions);
>>>>>>> and (3) Annex E (the Illustrative Disclosure Framework).
>>>>>>> * To assist the WG evaluate the usefulness of sub teams, a sub team for
>>>>>>> Section 1.3.2 can be formed first and serve as a ³test case² for the
>>>>>>> exercise.
>>>>>>> * As outlined on the call, a sub team will do a ³first pass² through a
>>>>>>> template, based on the Public Comment Review Tool, that staff will
>>>>>>> populate with all the input received on that particular issue. The sub
>>>>>>> team will report back to the full WG in a timely fashion, including
>>>>>>> suggesting a WG response and/or proposed action in relation to the
>>>>>>> comments received.
>>>>>>> * Sub teams may elect to do their work via email and online tools (e.g.
>>>>>>> Google Docs or a wiki page), with or without supplemental conference
>>>>>>> calls. Any calls will be recorded and transcribed for transparency
>>>>>>> purposes, and drafts and other documents prepared using online tools
>>>>>>> will also be made available to the full WG. (Do note, however, that
>>>>>>> depending on call scheduling and timing, staff support may not be
>>>>>>> available for all requested calls if several sub teams are used
>>>>>>> concurrently.)
>>>>>>> PLEASE VOLUNTEER FOR SUB TEAM 1.3.2 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ASSISTING
>>>>>>> WITH THIS INITIAL REVIEW. Staff will endeavor to provide the template
>>>>>>> tool for 1.3.2 to the sub team as soon as possible, hopefully by Monday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2. Full WG Review of Other Comments to Continue in Parallel:
>>>>>>> * Staff will ³collapse² (per James¹ suggestion on the call) all those
>>>>>>> template responses received that were simply a Yes or No answer to a
>>>>>>> question, without any further comment added these will be reflected in
>>>>>>> the Public Comment Review Tool accordingly, as a single collective
>>>>>>> entry. The current Tool (covering Preliminary Recommendations 1 through
>>>>>>> 9) will be updated in time for the WG to begin this review on the next
>>>>>>> call.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Collated Information:
>>>>>>> * In addition to the updated spreadsheet just circulated by Graeme, we
>>>>>>> can also send you archived mail files of the contributions received to
>>>>>>> the public comment forum, should you or your group wish to conduct
>>>>>>> searches through each comment yourselves.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We hope the above will be helpful in facilitating good progress on the
>>>>>>> work to be done in preparation for the Final Report.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks and cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mary Wong
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Senior Policy Director
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889 <tel:%2B1%20603%20574%204889>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Email: mary.wong at icann.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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