[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] WSJ Article

Tue Jul 21 13:45:37 UTC 2015

Forwarding the message below from Vicky, whose emails don¹t seem to be
coming through on the list.

Cheers
Mary

> From: Victoria Sheckler
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 9:33 AM
> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
> Subject: FW: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] WSJ Article
>  
> Resending- not sure it made it through the first time to the list.
> From: Victoria Sheckler <vsheckler at riaa.com>
> Date: July 20, 2015 at 4:23:21 PM EDT
> To: Volker Greimann <vgreimann at key-systems.net>, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org"
> <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: FW: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] WSJ Article
>> 
>> Volker  You stated that ³I just felt that showing only one part of the
>> debate in a public forum such as the WSJ after all this time we spent on
>> exactly this subject was very one-sided.²  For a public forum where a
>> one-sided picture was presented, please see www.Savedomainprivacy.org
>> <http://www.Savedomainprivacy.org> .
>>  
>> Further, while John presented his point of view in his op ed, he presented
>> the issue without material inaccuracies as far as I can tell. As noted in the
>> COA comments, there are serious questions about whether the information
>> presented to the public on the websites from which the petitions and mass
>> comments were generated  was "honest", or rather misleading. Please refer to
>> the COA comments for a point by point discussion of the concerns with these
>> sites.  
>> 
>> Separately, I am concerned that no one is discussing the privacy related
>> rights of the users of web sites operating behind p/p services. Most, if not
>> all, privacy best practices, call for transparency on the part of the web
>> site operator if he or she is collecting information about its users. When
>> thinking about privacy, I would think that it would be these end users of the
>> web sites that have a stronger privacy right than that of the web site
>> operator. 
>>  
>> -                     Vicky
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org
>> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
>> Sent: Monday, July 20, 2015 12:57 PM
>> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] WSJ Article
>> 
>> It has been pointed out to me that my comments in the below mail could be
>> misinterpreted as an ad hominem attack against John, calling into doubt his
>> integrity. This was not my intention.
>> 
>> I just felt that showing only one part of the debate in a public forum such
>> as the WSJ after all this time we spent on exactly this subject was very
>> one-sided. John was postulating his position as the only logical conclusion
>> though without even acknowledging there is another side to this argument.
>> Effectively, he cast those on the other side as obstructionist for the sake
>> of being obstructionist.
>> 
>> Presenting a case from only one angle may not be dishonest, but is far from
>> being completely honest either as it leaves out part of the truth.
>> 
>> I respect John and his opinions but I just wish he would have presented the
>> discussion more evenly.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Volker
>> 
>> 
>> Am 20.07.2015 um 12:31 schrieb Volker Greimann:
>>> > http://www.wsj.com/articles/unmasking-shady-anonymous-e-commerce-14370
>>> > 00876
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi John,
>>> >
>>> > not really helpful, especially since th answers to your rethorical
>>> > questions have all been discussed at length during the WG meetings. A
>>> > bit more honesty and equal portrayal of both sides would have been
>>> > more helpful.
>>> >
>> 
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