[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments

Tue Jul 21 13:55:25 UTC 2015

I think there are a lot of "average cops" who would disagree with your statement Holly. Let's not condescend them and suggest they don't know what tools are available to them or how to use them. Perhaps we should engage the PSWG to get some real information here.

Along the same lines as my response to Stephanie's email about commenters who couldn't possibly understand options for exigency, let's stop the condescending rhetoric toward fellow stakeholders.

K

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On Jul 21, 2015, at 6:43 AM, "h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>" <h.raiche at internode.on.net<mailto:h.raiche at internode.on.net>> wrote:

Hi Paul

While increasing numbers of policemen may be familiar with cybercrime, etc, I would expect that it wouldbe dealt with by more specially trained units within police forces.  It's not a tool I would expect your average cop to use.

And ICANN is already carrying out an educational role in that space - just talk to the SSAC members, who spend a lot of time on planes going around the world training police forces.

My point is that I'd rather cases of fraud, misrepresentation etc are dealt with by agencies designed to do so.

Holly

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Hi Holly,

Is there any data to back up the assertion that in today’s day and age the police don’t know how to use WHOIS?  That might have been the case 10 years ago, but with cybercrime on the rise along with cyberbullying and other online offenses, I don’t think such is the case anymore.  I bet these nice police know how to use WHOIS:  https://portal.chicagopolice.org/portal/page/portal/ClearPath/Communities/Youth%20Services/Internet%20Safety1

Even if it is true that some percentage of police don’t know how to use WHOIS, it seems like an outreach & education need for ICANN rather than for us to decide that the police are too ignorant to use WHOIS  so we need to be concerned about noncommercial users of the Internet.

Best,
Paul

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Hi Paul

This is the very debate the ALAC has been having.  On the one hand, non-commercial users and consumers do not want the miscreants being able to hide behind a p/p service.  But earlier comments are also correct - most consumers will not go to the Whois database to try to track down the miscreant.  They will go to their consumer protection agency (however named). And the truth is that if they go to their local police station, that police station will also not be going to the Whois database.  However, a consumer protection agency, or a government agency that deals with consumer probably will have the knowledge to check out the Whois database and use whatever other resources (policy, law enforcement agencies) to track down the miscreants.

This is why we need to think through who should be given access to Whois data of the registrant using a p/p service.  Should it just be law enforcement agencies with a warrant, or others as well - as set out in the Annex for rights holders. Agreed, the Whois data of miscreants probably won't be correct, but it may assist law enforcement and other agencies to track down the miscreants.

Hope that moves this discussion along

Holly

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Hi Paul,

I agree that non-commercial users and consumers may need protection as well, but I am just not sure how this relates to privacy services at all. How does knowing the underlying data of a privacy service help a scam victim? If there is illegal use, odds are the underlying data will not be of much value either. Criminals rarely leave their home address on file anywhere near their crime scenes.

Surely preferred venue for addressing such abuse by consumers is their local police station, who will initiate an investigation and can get a court order if the substance of the case bears that out. Across borders, legal assistance is available. A British law enforcement official has proper venues to request legal assistance from his German counterpart, for example.

Which leaves us with the rights and interests of those that use these services for legitimate reasons. We need to ensure their interests are protected too. For reasons, go look at the hundreds of public comments where users detail why they NEED strong protections of their privacy that cannot be easily circumvented.
Am 20.07.2015 um 18:53 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.:
Thanks Volker.  For the benefit of the others on the list, I am pulling up a copy of your original email to me so that I can be read along with your additional thoughts below.

Also, thank you for this statement in your post below:

“I also think that the importance of the debate is of the essence here, but that does not only include the interests of IP and trademark rights holders but also those of those affected by anything we come up with, i.e. civil society, private individuals and organizations, and their rights and interests”

which appears to adopt my concern for the protection of non-commercial users who are victims of scams, crime, etc.  While I thought it was interesting that you attempted to bring in IP and trademark rights holders into a conversation about non-commercial user’s need to get access to information about criminals and others abusing them and the DNS, I’m not sure that simply beating the IP/Trademark Holder straw man is that same thing as putting forward substantive ideas on how to balance in the concerns of non-commercial, non-DNS customer consumers with the “mandatory litigation” framework you are proposing.   I again welcome any substantive comments you may have regarding how we protect those consumers – even if they do not own a domain name or pay for P/P services – within the mandatory litigation paradigm which would result in months-long delay to get an order from the victim’s court served on a P/P service countries away.

Thanks in advance for your substantive thoughts on how to balance these interests.

Best,
Paul

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Hi Paul,

I intended to post to the list, apologies if I misclicked.

I wanted to say that the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. No one is served if the justice system takes months to process a simple request, OTOH, this is not a reason for circumventing due process. Slow justice is better than no justice or vigilantism.

I also think that the importance of the debate is of the essence here, but that does not only include the interests of IP and trademark rights holders but also those of those affected by anything we come up with, i.e. civil society, private individuals and organizations, and their rights and interests.

Best,

Volker

Am 20.07.2015 um 17:30 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.:
Thanks Volker.  I don’t think your comment appreciates the importance of the debate.  Is there a reason that it was sent only to me and not to the list?  Any object to me posting it on the list?  Thanks.

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Hi Paul,

it seems a good thing not to be in a common law country then, as over here usually a different axiom applies: "justice hurried along is bad justice". If a case is there, a court will be able to see that and issue an order. Getting injunctive relief can take as little as half a day.

Best,

Volker

Am 20.07.2015 um 17:15 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.:
Thanks Volker.  I’m pretty sure it won’t do any good to get drawn into a conversation about the consequences of service providers being and permanently staying the RNH, since that is not what is really being discussed.  The conversation has evolved well past that point and a long, long time ago.

I would, however, appreciate your substantive thoughts on how we balance the need for consumers who are victims of scams and crime (even if those consumers don’t happen to be domain name registrants or P/P customers) within the “court order only” paradigm which on its face is woefully inadequate to bring about a timely remedy.  It is now axiomatic in common law jurisdictions that “Justice delayed is justice denied.”

I’m looking forward to your reply.  Thanks for your time.

Best,
Paul

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Privacy or proxy services do not conflict with section 3.3.1.6 of the RAA (nor RA) as formally, the service provider is the RNH in a proxy form.

Volker
Am 20.07.2015 um 14:25 schrieb McGrady, Paul D.:
Thanks James.  The ship has already sailed on option a).  See 3.3.1.6 of the RA noting the mandatory requirement of the disclosure of “The name and postal address of the Registered Name Holder.”  What this team is discussing is how to develop an framework for exceptions to 3.3.1.6 that does not create a safe haven for human traffickers, cyber-bullies, and other nefarious types that would harm non-commercial users of the Internet.  It is not within our remit to undo 3.3.1.6, no matter how many form comments are posted asking that we do so.  Our remit is finding what circumstances warrant the exception through allowing WHOIS modification and which do not, the means to communicate to someone who is legitimately using such WHOIS modification services, and the terms upon which such allowable WHOIS modification will be terminated if it is being used to abuse others.

Even if abolishing 3.3.1.6 were a possibility and the DNS wasn’t built on a series of contracts (which it is), I see no particular upside to telling parents of children being bullied online, geriatric victims of banking scams, and targets of pay-in-advance credit offers that they have to wait months while their local court order requiring disclosure makes its way through the Hague Convention service process in order to  be effectuated by a far-away privacy service.  Although we have heard much about protecting the rights of non-commercial users of the Internet who happen to be domain name registrants as well and who are using P/P services (and we should be concerned about them), we also need to keep in mind the other non-commercial users of the Internet who will also be affected – even if they have not contributed financially to the system by purchasing a domain name.

I for one hope we can get back on track and discuss the substantive, relevant comments and reach final consensus on the handful of outstanding issues and get a report in to the GNSO that reflects a sensible balance.

Regards,
Paul

From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of James Gannon
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Agreed Volker I would put my analysis in set A aswell.

-James

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Hi Steve,

these comments can be read in different ways:

a) ICANN should not implement policy that requires disclosure without a court order, or
b) no disclosure should be allowed without a court order.

I tend to interpret the comments as being in the a) column

Best,

Volker
Am 17.07.2015 um 21:42 schrieb Metalitz, Steven:
No, James, we should certainly consider those concerns but not necessarily change the report.

The single concern raised more often than any other, I am positive, is that proxy services should not be permitted to disclose any information on their customer without a court order.   That is not a standard that your service or any other that I know of can meet.  We can change our report to make that a requirement for privacy/proxy service providers.  Should we?

Steve

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Steve:

With respect, if several thousand commenters raised issues that concern them, but are not addressed by our report, the our focus should be on changing the report, not discounting the comments.

Thank you,

J.
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On Jul 17, 2015, at 21:20, Metalitz, Steven <met at msk.com<mailto:met at msk.com>> wrote:
I am all in favor of people identifying topics they believe need to be addressed by the WG.  However, Kathy, I have to disagree with your premise, which is that the ten thousand plus comments reflect responses to our questions or even statements of agreement or disagreement to our consensus positions or report proposals A much smaller (though still significant) number of comments do that, and those should be our top priority for review and response.  But the vast majority of comments clearly are not responses to our report.  These mass comments raise a very limited number of issues, which I don’t think we will that much difficulty dealing with once we have addressed the responses to our questions and the reasoned statements of agreement or disagreement with specific proposals we have made.

Let’s get started on the more substantive comments, starting with the questions we did pose.  We have subteams forming to start to tackle that, and the staff (and Graeme!) are providing some tools to try to help facilitate that.    For those who don’t wish to join subteams, again, I agree it would be useful to identify (as you put it) the “major issues and concerns” that you find in the comments, with citations to those comments that you believe raise those major issues and concerns.

Steve
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Hi Don, Steve, Graeme, Mary and all WG members,
I would like recommend that we take a slightly different approach. We received over ten thousand comments, many coming from those who do not ordinarily participate in the ICANN process. They wrote to us us not only in response to our specific questions, but also to share agreement (and disagreement) to our consensus positions/report proposals, and to explain why proxy/privacy registrations are important to them. There has been a huge outpouring particularly on the last issue.

While a few topics for cataloging these comments were presented on the call, with great respect, I do not think we have dealt with or cataloged all of the major issues and concerns raised by the comments yet. Before we leap forward to subteams and analysis, shouldn't we ask further, in writing, and with the whole of the WG participating -- have we gotten the topics right?  Have we created sufficient topics to allow us to catalog the broad range of information, concerns and comments shared with us by so many commenters?

I would like to request that we be able to take big breath, and a slightly (only slightly!) different approach.  In preparation for Tuesday's call, could we all skim the comments -- with our array of expertise, insight, knowledge of aspects of our commenter base -- to come up with topics that we think the WG should evaluate in tour review?  Perhaps if we can circulate the topics online, and then discuss them on Tuesday.

Then we discuss how these topics/this substance might be overlaid on the subteam process laid out below and shared for the first time on last week's call. We will then have both substance and process! And we will know that we have considered all of the major issues arising from these important comments.

If we go forward now without this evaluation, I fear we may be missing much of what the comments have to offer.

Best and tx,
Kathy

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Dear WG members,

Following from the WG call earlier today, the co-chairs and staff after some consultation would like to propose the following approach for your consideration:

1. Use of Sub Teams for Specific Topics:

  *   Sub-teams comprising a few WG volunteers each can be formed to do the initial review of public comments received on the three topics suggested by Steve on the call, i.e. (1) Section 1.3.2 of the Initial Report (on escalation of relay requests and the handling of disclosure/publication requests from third parties other than IP rights holders); (2) Section 1.3.3 (on the open question regarding online financial transactions); and (3) Annex E (the Illustrative Disclosure Framework).

  *   To assist the WG evaluate the usefulness of sub teams, a sub team for Section 1.3.2 can be formed first and serve as a “test case” for the exercise.

  *   As outlined on the call, a sub team will do a “first pass” through a template, based on the Public Comment Review Tool, that staff will populate with all the input received on that particular issue. The sub team will report back to the full WG in a timely fashion, including suggesting a WG response and/or proposed action in relation to the comments received.

  *   Sub teams may elect to do their work via email and online tools (e.g. Google Docs or a wiki page), with or without supplemental conference calls. Any calls will be recorded and transcribed for transparency purposes, and drafts and other documents prepared using online tools will also be made available to the full WG. (Do note, however, that depending on call scheduling and timing, staff support may not be available for all requested calls if several sub teams are used concurrently)
PLEASE VOLUNTEER FOR SUB TEAM 1.3.2 IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN ASSISTING WITH THIS INITIAL REVIEW. Staff will endeavor to provide the template tool for 1.3.2 to the sub team as soon as possible, hopefully by Monday.

2. Full WG Review of Other Comments to Continue in Parallel:

  *   Staff will “collapse” (per James’ suggestion on the call) all those template responses received that were simply a Yes or No answer to a question, without any further comment added – these will be reflected in the Public Comment Review Tool accordingly, as a single collective entry. The current Tool (covering Preliminary Recommendations 1 through 9) will be updated in time for the WG to begin this review on the next call.

3. Collated Information:

  *   In addition to the updated spreadsheet just circulated by Graeme, we can also send you archived mail files of the contributions received to the public comment forum, should you or your group wish to conduct searches through each comment yourselves.

We hope the above will be helpful in facilitating good progress on the work to be done in preparation for the Final Report.

Thanks and cheers
Mary

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Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851

Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>

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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin

Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken

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Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann

- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH

Im Oberen Werk 1

66386 St. Ingbert

Tel: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901

Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

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Key-Systems GmbH

Im Oberen Werk 1

66386 St. Ingbert

Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901

Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851

Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>

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www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>

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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin

Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken

Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP

www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu>

Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

--------------------------------------------

Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann

- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH

Im Oberen Werk 1

66386 St. Ingbert

Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901

Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851

Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>

Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net<http://www.RRPproxynet>

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Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:

www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>

www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>

CEO: Alexander Siffrin

Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken

V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP

www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu>

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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen,

Volker A. Greimann

- Rechtsabteilung -

Key-Systems GmbH

Im Oberen Werk 1

66386 St. Ingbert

Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901

Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851

Email: vgreimann at key-systemsnet<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>

Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net> / www.RRPproxy.net<http://www.RRPproxy.net>

www.domaindiscount24.com<http://www.domaindiscount24.com> / www.BrandShelter.com<http://www.BrandShelter.com>

Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:

www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>

www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>

Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin

Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken

Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP

www.keydrivelu<http://www.keydrive.lu>

Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.

--------------------------------------------

Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.

Best regards,

Volker A. Greimann

- legal department -

Key-Systems GmbH

Im Oberen Werk 1

66386 St. Ingbert

Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901

Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851

Email: vgreimann at key-systems.net<mailto:vgreimann at key-systems.net>

Web: www.key-systems.net<http://www.key-systems.net> / wwwRRPproxy.net<http://www.RRPproxy.net>

www.domaindiscount24.com<http://www.domaindiscount24.com> / www.BrandShelter.com<http://www.BrandShelter.com>

Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:

www.facebook.com/KeySystems<http://www.facebook.com/KeySystems>

www.twitter.com/key_systems<http://www.twitter.com/key_systems>

CEO: Alexander Siffrin

Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken

V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534

Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP

www.keydrive.lu<http://www.keydrive.lu>

This e-mail and its attachments is intended only for the person to whom it is addressed. Furthermore it is not permitted to publish any content of this email You must not use, disclose, copy, print or rely on this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, kindly notify the author by replying to this e-mail or contacting us by telephone

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