[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments

[Kiran Malancharuvil]

Sorry, sent too soon. Never did get the hang of this iPhone. We got the recommendations of the PSWG which was drafted in part by Bobby, Loreen and Dick, but should not be taken as merely their personal views. 

Thanks,

Kiran 

Kiran Malancharuvil 
Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m) 

Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos. 

> On Jul 21, 2015, at 10:14 PM, Kiran Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
> 
> We got the recommendations of the Public Safety Working Group which is 
> 
> Kiran Malancharuvil 
> Policy Counselor
> MarkMonitor
> 415-419-9138 (m) 
> 
> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos. 
> 
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 9:46 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Do we actually have the recommendations of Leaning, Flaim, and Loreen Kapin formally in writing?  I have not seen them in the comments but I will admit I have not read them all...or did we get a formal written brief from them earlier?
>> ANd thanks for your interventions Barry!
>> cheers Stephanie Perrin
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2015-07-21 23:59, Kiran Malancharuvil wrote:
>>> Barry,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your comments. I think you would be interested in the past interventions of Dick Leaning, who was the LE representative on this group until his retirement from Europol on July 1st of this year, and in the public safety working group comment drafted by Bobby Flaim from the FBI and Loreen Kapin from the FTC (with Dick's input). They have statedon multiple occasions that getting a warrant isn't a 15 minute thing. I'll let them speak for themselves but suffice to say that they prefer a system that doesn't require a warrant.
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I just wanted to point out that they've given their recommendations formally.
>>> 
>>> Happy lurking!
>>> 
>>> Kiran
>>> 
>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>> Policy Counselor
>>> MarkMonitor
>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>> 
>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I apologize for posting at all since I'm not much involved but I'm
>>>> sort of surprised at the level of speculation about law enforcement.
>>>> 
>>>> As an ISP I've been in the middle of this sort of thing.
>>>> 
>>>> In a nutshell there are large and huge and tiny LEAs and they're all
>>>> quite different in their response.
>>>> 
>>>> I've dealt with the FBI who can turn out a proper warrant in about 15
>>>> minutes and college campus police (colleges you've heard of) who could
>>>> be incredibly unprofessional -- one threatened, and I mean angrily
>>>> threatened, that if I didn't produce the credentials immediately (I
>>>> stood my ground for a warrant, it was basically cyberstalking) they
>>>> would "show up at my office". I said they were welcome, I'd make the
>>>> coffee, and got in touch with the university's general counsel. I
>>>> could post that interchange but as you can imagine they were horribly
>>>> embarrassed.
>>>> 
>>>> Why not get someone from an LEA or two involved even informally rather
>>>> than speculate?
>>>> 
>>>> So much of this is in the name of law enforcement yet my impression is
>>>> that law enforcement per se hasn't been engaged.
>>>> 
>>>> A DA wouldn't hurt either since they have to build the cases and wield
>>>> the prosecutorial discretion which is really what you're ultimately
>>>> trying to support.
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry, I'll go back to lurking.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>>       -Barry Shein
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