[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments
Mary Wong
mary.wong at icann.org
Wed Jul 22 16:26:30 UTC 2015
Thanks, Kiran - as with all the comments we are compiling for the WG, the
sheer volume could mean that we may have missed it, so we’d appreciate it
if this can be clarified. Similarly, and more broadly, as the WG reviews
the comments, please let us know if there are responses that we should
have included in the templates that we did not.
Cheers
Mary
Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4889
Email: mary.wong at icann.org
-----Original Message-----
From: Kiran Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:22
To: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>,
"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor
reviewing public comments
>Yikes. Let's ask Bobby and Dick what happened there. LEA input is
>valuable and we should consider it, even if outside the formal public
>comment process.
>
>Kiran Malancharuvil
>Policy Counselor
>MarkMonitor
>415-419-9138 (m)
>
>Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>
>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Kiran and everyone,
>>
>> The PSWG did not seem to have submitted their comments to the PPSAI
>>public
>> comments forum. I checked around internally and do not think they sent
>>it
>> in or published it. As such, ICANN policy staff doesn¹t have any records
>> or copies of it and so whatever PSWG statement was drafted has not been
>> included or reflected in our documents, including the various templates
>> comprising the Public Comment Review Tool.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Mary Wong
>> Senior Policy Director
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889
>> Email: mary.wong at icann.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Kiran
>> Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 11:58
>> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor
>> reviewing public comments
>>
>>> Good question. Since I was loathe to sort through zillions of pages
>>> looking for the comments I wanted to read initially, I requested the
>>> comments directly from Bobby and he emailed them to me. I don't think
>>> Dick has access to this list anymore, but I will ask them to forward a
>>> link or attachment and I will pass it along?
>>>
>>> K
>>>
>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>> Policy Counselor
>>> MarkMonitor
>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>
>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>
>>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>>>> <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a link to their submission?
>>>>
>>>> I know they were drafting one, but I don¹t recall seeing it
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michele
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>>>>> On 22/07/2015 04:59, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
>>>>>of
>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
>>>>>of
>>>>> Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your comments. I think you would be interested in the past
>>>>> interventions of Dick Leaning, who was the LE representative on this
>>>>> group until his retirement from Europol on July 1st of this year, and
>>>>> in the public safety working group comment drafted by Bobby Flaim
>>>>>from
>>>>> the FBI and Loreen Kapin from the FTC (with Dick's input). They have
>>>>> statedon multiple occasions that getting a warrant isn't a 15 minute
>>>>> thing. I'll let them speak for themselves but suffice to say that
>>>>>they
>>>>> prefer a system that doesn't require a warrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I just wanted to point out that they've given their
>>>>> recommendations formally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy lurking!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kiran
>>>>>
>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>>> Policy Counselor
>>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize for posting at all since I'm not much involved but I'm
>>>>>> sort of surprised at the level of speculation about law enforcement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an ISP I've been in the middle of this sort of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a nutshell there are large and huge and tiny LEAs and they're all
>>>>>> quite different in their response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've dealt with the FBI who can turn out a proper warrant in about
>>>>>>15
>>>>>> minutes and college campus police (colleges you've heard of) who
>>>>>>could
>>>>>> be incredibly unprofessional -- one threatened, and I mean angrily
>>>>>> threatened, that if I didn't produce the credentials immediately (I
>>>>>> stood my ground for a warrant, it was basically cyberstalking) they
>>>>>> would "show up at my office". I said they were welcome, I'd make the
>>>>>> coffee, and got in touch with the university's general counsel. I
>>>>>> could post that interchange but as you can imagine they were
>>>>>>horribly
>>>>>> embarrassed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not get someone from an LEA or two involved even informally
>>>>>>rather
>>>>>> than speculate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much of this is in the name of law enforcement yet my impression
>>>>>>is
>>>>>> that law enforcement per se hasn't been engaged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A DA wouldn't hurt either since they have to build the cases and
>>>>>>wield
>>>>>> the prosecutorial discretion which is really what you're ultimately
>>>>>> trying to support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I'll go back to lurking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> -Barry Shein
>>>>>>
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