[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments

Stephanie Perrin stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca
Wed Jul 22 17:01:37 UTC 2015 

I agree the input is important, but they should put it on the public record.
Stephanie Perrin

On 2015-07-22 12:26, Mary Wong wrote:
> Thanks, Kiran - as with all the comments we are compiling for the WG, the
> sheer volume could mean that we may have missed it, so we’d appreciate it
> if this can be clarified. Similarly, and more broadly, as the WG reviews
> the comments, please let us know if there are responses that we should
> have included in the templates that we did not.
>
> Cheers
> Mary
>
>
> Mary Wong
> Senior Policy Director
> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
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> Email: mary.wong at icann.org
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kiran Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>
> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:22
> To: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org>
> Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>,
> "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor
> reviewing public comments
>
>> Yikes. Let's ask Bobby and Dick what happened there. LEA input is
>> valuable and we should consider it, even if outside the formal public
>> comment process.
>>
>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>> Policy Counselor
>> MarkMonitor
>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>
>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>
>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Kiran and everyone,
>>>
>>> The PSWG did not seem to have submitted their comments to the PPSAI
>>> public
>>> comments forum. I checked around internally and do not think they sent
>>> it
>>> in or published it. As such, ICANN policy staff doesn¹t have any records
>>> or copies of it and so whatever PSWG statement was drafted has not been
>>> included or reflected in our documents, including the various templates
>>> comprising the Public Comment Review Tool.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Mary
>>>
>>>
>>> Mary Wong
>>> Senior Policy Director
>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
>>> Telephone: +1 603 574 4889
>>> Email: mary.wong at icann.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Kiran
>>> Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 11:58
>>> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
>>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor
>>> reviewing public comments
>>>
>>>> Good question. Since I was loathe to sort through zillions of pages
>>>> looking for the comments I wanted to read initially, I requested the
>>>> comments directly from Bobby and he emailed them to me. I don't think
>>>> Dick has access to this list anymore, but I will ask them to forward a
>>>> link or attachment and I will pass it along?
>>>>
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>> Policy Counselor
>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>
>>>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>>>>> <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone have a link to their submission?
>>>>>
>>>>> I know they were drafting one, but I don¹t recall seeing it
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Michele
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>>>>>> On 22/07/2015 04:59, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Barry,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks for your comments. I think you would be interested in the past
>>>>>> interventions of Dick Leaning, who was the LE representative on this
>>>>>> group until his retirement from Europol on July 1st of this year, and
>>>>>> in the public safety working group comment drafted by Bobby Flaim
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the FBI and Loreen Kapin from the FTC (with Dick's input). They have
>>>>>> statedon multiple occasions that getting a warrant isn't a 15 minute
>>>>>> thing. I'll let them speak for themselves but suffice to say that
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> prefer a system that doesn't require a warrant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway, I just wanted to point out that they've given their
>>>>>> recommendations formally.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Happy lurking!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kiran
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>>>> Policy Counselor
>>>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I apologize for posting at all since I'm not much involved but I'm
>>>>>>> sort of surprised at the level of speculation about law enforcement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As an ISP I've been in the middle of this sort of thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In a nutshell there are large and huge and tiny LEAs and they're all
>>>>>>> quite different in their response.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've dealt with the FBI who can turn out a proper warrant in about
>>>>>>> 15
>>>>>>> minutes and college campus police (colleges you've heard of) who
>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>> be incredibly unprofessional -- one threatened, and I mean angrily
>>>>>>> threatened, that if I didn't produce the credentials immediately (I
>>>>>>> stood my ground for a warrant, it was basically cyberstalking) they
>>>>>>> would "show up at my office". I said they were welcome, I'd make the
>>>>>>> coffee, and got in touch with the university's general counsel. I
>>>>>>> could post that interchange but as you can imagine they were
>>>>>>> horribly
>>>>>>> embarrassed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not get someone from an LEA or two involved even informally
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> than speculate?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So much of this is in the name of law enforcement yet my impression
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> that law enforcement per se hasn't been engaged.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A DA wouldn't hurt either since they have to build the cases and
>>>>>>> wield
>>>>>>> the prosecutorial discretion which is really what you're ultimately
>>>>>>> trying to support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry, I'll go back to lurking.
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>       -Barry Shein
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