[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments

Wed Jul 22 17:26:48 UTC 2015

Agree, Stephanie.

No one disagrees that LEA input is vital. And Registrars, in particular, have been building a more engaging relationship with LEA/Public Safety over the past year.  This stems mostly from our experiences during the 2013 RAA negotiations, where asks were made in private, but later disavowed.

I understand the nature of LEA is that they cannot always participate on the record, or speak for their agencies.  But it is significantly more helpful when they do.

Thanks—

J.

From: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca<mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:01
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments

I agree the input is important, but they should put it on the public record.
Stephanie Perrin

On 2015-07-22 12:26, Mary Wong wrote:

Thanks, Kiran - as with all the comments we are compiling for the WG, the
sheer volume could mean that we may have missed it, so we’d appreciate it
if this can be clarified. Similarly, and more broadly, as the WG reviews
the comments, please let us know if there are responses that we should
have included in the templates that we did not.

Cheers
Mary

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From: Kiran Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com><mailto:Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>
Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 12:22
To: Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org><mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>
Cc: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com><mailto:michele at blacknight.com>,
"gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org"<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org> <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor
reviewing public comments

Yikes. Let's ask Bobby and Dick what happened there. LEA input is
valuable and we should consider it, even if outside the formal public
comment process.

Kiran Malancharuvil
Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)

Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.

On Jul 22, 2015, at 9:18 AM, Mary Wong <mary.wong at icann.org><mailto:mary.wong at icann.org> wrote:

Hello Kiran and everyone,

The PSWG did not seem to have submitted their comments to the PPSAI
public
comments forum. I checked around internally and do not think they sent
it
in or published it. As such, ICANN policy staff doesn¹t have any records
or copies of it and so whatever PSWG statement was drafted has not been
included or reflected in our documents, including the various templates
comprising the Public Comment Review Tool.

Cheers
Mary

Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names & Numbers (ICANN)
Telephone: +1 603 574 4889
Email: mary.wong at icann.org<mailto:mary.wong at icann.org>

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Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 11:58
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor
reviewing public comments

Good question. Since I was loathe to sort through zillions of pages
looking for the comments I wanted to read initially, I requested the
comments directly from Bobby and he emailed them to me. I don't think
Dick has access to this list anymore, but I will ask them to forward a
link or attachment and I will pass it along?

K

Kiran Malancharuvil
Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)

Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.

On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
<michele at blacknight.com><mailto:michele at blacknight.com> wrote:

Does anyone have a link to their submission?

I know they were drafting one, but I don¹t recall seeing it

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On 22/07/2015 04:59, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
of
Kiran Malancharuvil"<mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofKiranMalancharuvil> <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
of
Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com><mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.orgonbehalfofKiran.Malancharuvil@markmonitor.com> wrote:

Barry,

Thanks for your comments. I think you would be interested in the past
interventions of Dick Leaning, who was the LE representative on this
group until his retirement from Europol on July 1st of this year, and
in the public safety working group comment drafted by Bobby Flaim
from
the FBI and Loreen Kapin from the FTC (with Dick's input). They have
statedon multiple occasions that getting a warrant isn't a 15 minute
thing. I'll let them speak for themselves but suffice to say that
they
prefer a system that doesn't require a warrant.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out that they've given their
recommendations formally.

Happy lurking!

Kiran

Kiran Malancharuvil
Policy Counselor
MarkMonitor
415-419-9138 (m)

Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.

On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com><mailto:bzs at world.std.com> wrote:

I apologize for posting at all since I'm not much involved but I'm
sort of surprised at the level of speculation about law enforcement.

As an ISP I've been in the middle of this sort of thing.

In a nutshell there are large and huge and tiny LEAs and they're all
quite different in their response.

I've dealt with the FBI who can turn out a proper warrant in about
15
minutes and college campus police (colleges you've heard of) who
could
be incredibly unprofessional -- one threatened, and I mean angrily
threatened, that if I didn't produce the credentials immediately (I
stood my ground for a warrant, it was basically cyberstalking) they
would "show up at my office". I said they were welcome, I'd make the
coffee, and got in touch with the university's general counsel. I
could post that interchange but as you can imagine they were
horribly
embarrassed.

Why not get someone from an LEA or two involved even informally
rather
than speculate?

So much of this is in the name of law enforcement yet my impression
is
that law enforcement per se hasn't been engaged.

A DA wouldn't hurt either since they have to build the cases and
wield
the prosecutorial discretion which is really what you're ultimately
trying to support.

Sorry, I'll go back to lurking.

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