[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments

Thu Jul 23 09:00:40 UTC 2015

Hi Kiran,

while it may not be a 15 minute thing, it is the legal process their 
legislative has deemed fit to place in front of them being able to 
demand anything they want. If the individual governments wanted to 
change that process and give them instant access, they would (and do 
(looking at the NSA folks)).

Volker

Am 22.07.2015 um 05:59 schrieb Kiran Malancharuvil:
> Barry,
>
> Thanks for your comments. I think you would be interested in the past interventions of Dick Leaning, who was the LE representative on this group until his retirement from Europol on July 1st of this year, and in the public safety working group comment drafted by Bobby Flaim from the FBI and Loreen Kapin from the FTC (with Dick's input). They have statedon multiple occasions that getting a warrant isn't a 15 minute thing. I'll let them speak for themselves but suffice to say that they prefer a system that doesn't require a warrant.
>
> Anyway, I just wanted to point out that they've given their recommendations formally.
>
> Happy lurking!
>
> Kiran
>
> Kiran Malancharuvil
> Policy Counselor
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>
> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>
>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I apologize for posting at all since I'm not much involved but I'm
>> sort of surprised at the level of speculation about law enforcement.
>>
>> As an ISP I've been in the middle of this sort of thing.
>>
>> In a nutshell there are large and huge and tiny LEAs and they're all
>> quite different in their response.
>>
>> I've dealt with the FBI who can turn out a proper warrant in about 15
>> minutes and college campus police (colleges you've heard of) who could
>> be incredibly unprofessional -- one threatened, and I mean angrily
>> threatened, that if I didn't produce the credentials immediately (I
>> stood my ground for a warrant, it was basically cyberstalking) they
>> would "show up at my office". I said they were welcome, I'd make the
>> coffee, and got in touch with the university's general counsel. I
>> could post that interchange but as you can imagine they were horribly
>> embarrassed.
>>
>> Why not get someone from an LEA or two involved even informally rather
>> than speculate?
>>
>> So much of this is in the name of law enforcement yet my impression is
>> that law enforcement per se hasn't been engaged.
>>
>> A DA wouldn't hurt either since they have to build the cases and wield
>> the prosecutorial discretion which is really what you're ultimately
>> trying to support.
>>
>> Sorry, I'll go back to lurking.
>>
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