[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments
Kiran Malancharuvil
Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com
Thu Jul 23 15:28:37 UTC 2015
I can't account for their failure to submit since I saw a final draft before the deadline. We will have to wait to see what they say.
K
Kiran Malancharuvil
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Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
> On Jul 23, 2015, at 3:09 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
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> If the PSWG want to be taken seriously they need to submit comments within the proper timelines
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> The comment period closed on July 7th. It’s now July 23rd, so I don’t see how their comments can be accepted at this juncture. Or if they are accepted they should not be considered to be part of the comment period, as they did not submit them as part of it.
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> While I also think it would be good to get LEA input I don’t see why PSWG cannot respect the timelines that everyone else has to work to
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> Regards
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> Michele
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>> On 23/07/2015 11:00, "Victoria Sheckler" <vsheckler at riaa.com> wrote:
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>> I believe their comments are forthcoming.
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Mary Wong
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 12:19 PM
>> To: Kiran Malancharuvil; Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>> Cc: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments
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>> Hello Kiran and everyone,
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>> The PSWG did not seem to have submitted their comments to the PPSAI public comments forum. I checked around internally and do not think they sent it in or published it. As such, ICANN policy staff doesn¹t have any records or copies of it and so whatever PSWG statement was drafted has not been included or reflected in our documents, including the various templates comprising the Public Comment Review Tool.
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>> Cheers
>> Mary
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>> Mary Wong
>> Senior Policy Director
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>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Kiran Malancharuvil <Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, July 22, 2015 at 11:58
>> To: Michele Neylon - Blacknight <michele at blacknight.com>
>> Cc: "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] A slightly revised proposed approachfor reviewing public comments
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>>> Good question. Since I was loathe to sort through zillions of pages
>>> looking for the comments I wanted to read initially, I requested the
>>> comments directly from Bobby and he emailed them to me. I don't think
>>> Dick has access to this list anymore, but I will ask them to forward a
>>> link or attachment and I will pass it along?
>>>
>>> K
>>>
>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>> Policy Counselor
>>> MarkMonitor
>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
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>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
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>>>> On Jul 22, 2015, at 1:15 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight
>>>> <michele at blacknight.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone have a link to their submission?
>>>>
>>>> I know they were drafting one, but I don¹t recall seeing it
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Michele
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>>>>> On 22/07/2015 04:59, "gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on behalf
>>>>> of Kiran Malancharuvil" <gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org on
>>>>> behalf of Kiran.Malancharuvil at markmonitor.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Barry,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your comments. I think you would be interested in the
>>>>> past interventions of Dick Leaning, who was the LE representative on
>>>>> this group until his retirement from Europol on July 1st of this
>>>>> year, and in the public safety working group comment drafted by Bobby
>>>>> Flaim from the FBI and Loreen Kapin from the FTC (with Dick's input).
>>>>> They have statedon multiple occasions that getting a warrant isn't a
>>>>> 15 minute thing. I'll let them speak for themselves but suffice to
>>>>> say that they prefer a system that doesn't require a warrant.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I just wanted to point out that they've given their
>>>>> recommendations formally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Happy lurking!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kiran
>>>>>
>>>>> Kiran Malancharuvil
>>>>> Policy Counselor
>>>>> MarkMonitor
>>>>> 415-419-9138 (m)
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jul 21, 2015, at 8:12 PM, Barry Shein <bzs at world.std.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I apologize for posting at all since I'm not much involved but I'm
>>>>>> sort of surprised at the level of speculation about law enforcement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As an ISP I've been in the middle of this sort of thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In a nutshell there are large and huge and tiny LEAs and they're
>>>>>> all quite different in their response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've dealt with the FBI who can turn out a proper warrant in about
>>>>>> 15 minutes and college campus police (colleges you've heard of) who
>>>>>> could be incredibly unprofessional -- one threatened, and I mean
>>>>>> angrily threatened, that if I didn't produce the credentials
>>>>>> immediately (I stood my ground for a warrant, it was basically
>>>>>> cyberstalking) they would "show up at my office". I said they were
>>>>>> welcome, I'd make the coffee, and got in touch with the
>>>>>> university's general counsel. I could post that interchange but as
>>>>>> you can imagine they were horribly embarrassed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not get someone from an LEA or two involved even informally
>>>>>> rather than speculate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So much of this is in the name of law enforcement yet my impression
>>>>>> is that law enforcement per se hasn't been engaged.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A DA wouldn't hurt either since they have to build the cases and
>>>>>> wield the prosecutorial discretion which is really what you're
>>>>>> ultimately trying to support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, I'll go back to lurking.
>>>>>>
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