[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PP transfer issue

Thu Jan 28 05:46:07 UTC 2016

+1 to Volker.   Not a problem when the registrar and the P/P provider are affiliated.  

Holly
On 27 Jan 2016, at 2:16 am, Lindsay Hamilton-Reid <Lindsay.Hamilton-Reid at fasthosts.com> wrote:

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> From: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Volker Greimann
> Sent: 26 January 2016 15:14
> To: gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg at icann.org; amy.bivins at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PP transfer issue
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> It had been my understanding that we had agreed that replacing the privacy details with the underlying details does not constitute a material change when the whois privacy service provider and the registrar are affiliated as the actual registrant deta would not have changed, only what is on display. As the provision in the IRTP-C was intended to protect registrants against unwanted transfers, the removal of the privacy function would not change anything for the registrant.
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> So Option 2 seems most sensible and it resembles the discussions in both WGs most closely, IIRC, provided that the exception only applies to the customers of registrar-affiliated services. For services not affiliated, the registrar never had the original data, so for the registrar it would be a material change, not the mere removal of a privacy veil.
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> Best,
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> Volker
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> Am 26.01.2016 um 10:56 schrieb gtheo:
> > Thanks Amy,
> > 
> > I favor option two in this case. Option 1 will just put a burden on
> > Registrants for no good reason.
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> > Best regards,
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> > Theo Geurts
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> > Amy Bivins schreef op 2015-11-17 07:01 PM:
> >> Dear PPSAI WG Members:
> >> 
> >> Here is the issue you asked staff to address by email today. This
> >> came to our attention after reflecting on the work done Friday by the
> >> "implementation issues" sub-team.
> >> 
> >> In short, disabling a proxy or privacy service will trigger the
> >> 60-day inter-registrar transfer lock required by IRTP C (which takes
> >> effect on 1 August 2016,
> >> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/transfer-policy-2015-09-24-en ).
> >> Although applicable generally, this issue is of particular concern
> >> following de-accreditation of a privacy or proxy service (if transfer
> >> to another registrar is required to maintain privacy).
> >> 
> >> Here are 3 things the WG could consider doing to address this:
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> >> 1. Maintain the status quo and leave the 60-day IRTP C lock in place.
> >> 2. Create an exception for Privacy and Proxy Service customers, so
> >> the
> >> 60 day IRTP C (inter-registrar transfer) lock doesn't apply when/if
> >> the customer changes or removes the PP service.
> >> 3. Create an exception for PP users only if a PP service is
> >> de-accredited, so the IRTP C (inter-registrar transfer) lock can be
> >> lifted by the beneficial user if the registrar has been notified of
> >> de-accreditation.
> >> 
> >> Please let us know if you'd like to us to provide any further
> >> background.
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> >> Thank you!
> >> 
> >> AMY E. BIVINS
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> >> Registrar Policy Services Manager
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> >> amy.bivins at icann.org
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