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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The next Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group meeting will be <b>held on Tuesday 10<sup>th</sup> December 2013, time to be determined</b><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 03 December 2013 at 15:00 UTC at:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20131203-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20131203-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</a></span></u><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>dec</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Volker Greimann - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Graeme Bunton - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Holly Raiche – ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Maria Farrell - NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Gordon Dick - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tatiana Khramstova - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Luc Seufer – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nicolas Steinbach - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Susan Prosser - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kiran Malancharuvil - Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tim Ruiz – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Steve Metalitz – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Keith Kupferschmid - <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Carlton Samuels – At-Large<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kathy Kleiman – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Volker Greimann – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amr Elsadr – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phil Marano - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris Pelling<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Don Blumenthal - RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Adamar Nacer - ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Roy Balleste - NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kristina Rosette- IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tobias Sattler – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Michele Neylon – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Statton Hammock - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Paul McGrady<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Wendy Seltzer - NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Gema Campillos<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ICANN staff:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marika Konings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mary Wong<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Mailing list archives:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/">http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Wiki page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg">https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 03 December 2013:</span></u></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:Welcome to the Privacy & Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP WG meeting of 3 December 2013<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:Hi Amr - you are early!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Really?? :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Eager!! :D<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Still dialling in.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Do I have the time wrong?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Marika..., you're right. I thought the call was 14:00 UTC. It's 15:00 UTC. I'll be back later then. ;)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Talk to you then.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:hi everyone, welcome!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kiran Malancharuvil:I am listed as an individual on the member list, and I am actually affiliated with the IPC. Thanks. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nicholas Steinbach:is the audio cutting in and out for anyone else? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:Hi Kiran - I'll update that following this call<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Nic - are you calling in or using AC?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kiran Malancharuvil:Thanks Marika! <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nicholas Steinbach:AC<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:holly can you speak up please?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:hard to hear<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:cant hear osvaldo<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Hi Just dialled in. Sorry for being late.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:When you are not speaking can you please make sure to mute your microphones? Thanks.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:@Nic, it doesn't look like anyone else is having AC audio problems - maybe try calling in on the phone bridge?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nicholas Steinbach:seems to be coming through ok now. thank you though.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:OK, great.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:Hi Graemen, Ross Rader did a lot of work on whois back in the day...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Graeme Bunton:that's who i was referring to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell::-0<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell::-<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Graeme Bunton:You'll note he does zero policy work anymore<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:well hopefully we won't scare you off!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Luc Seufer:I can't connect my audio via Adobe connect. It crashes my browser :-/<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Luc Seufer:Hi, Luc Seufer, EuroDNS, European registrar. Although we are not providing this service at the moment we may in the future. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Luc Seufer:Will that do<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Luc Seufer:?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:Thank you, Luc. That's great.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Phil Marano:Apologies I am a little late. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Carlton Samuels:Is there a specific order for intro or its purely on the assignment?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:hi carlton, nathalie is calling ppl according to the roll call<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathalie Peregrine:we can hear you!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Carlton Samuels:Thanks Maria. Got to me just in time.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:great stuff, samuel.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:carlton... sorry!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tatiana Khramtsova:Hi! Tatiana Khramtsova. Russian Registrar representative and Regostrar constituency member<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:Thanks, Tatiana.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Phil Marano:Sorry only on adobe<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Phil Marano:Sure.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Phil Marano:I am an associate attorney with Katten Muchin Rosenman in Washington DC, as well as an IPC member. As an intellectual property attorney, I deal with privacy and proxy services every day in the context of trademark and copyright infringement.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Don Blumenthal:OK<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Again, please send in or update your SOI if you haven't already. Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Nathalie Peregrine:AC audio seems to be breaking up a little from time to time, if this is the case for you, please dial into the audio bridge, passcode PPSAI<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:All the background documents can be found here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg">https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Carlton Samuels:Hi Nathalie, I have audio issues but don't see a number for Jamaica. Can you confirm a number for me?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> David Cake:hi, everone, apologies for lateness<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> David Cake:Just to catch up - no changes oto my SOI, nothing relevant to this WG<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> David Cake:My relevant interst is mostly as board member of a group with a strong interest in privacy rights lobbying. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Amr Elsadr:Thanks for the throrough brief Marika and Mary.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tim Ruiz:I think part of the Whois Policy Review Team's definitions for Proxy Service should be incorporated, the part about the agent assumes responsibility.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Thanks, Tim - we'll note that and bring it up when the WG begins to consider its substantive starting points (e.g. agreed definitions).<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Carlton Samuels:Holly Raiche is also on the WG representing the ALAC. Usually the ALAC monthly call is updated on any WG development <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Carlton Samuels:Recall the ALACX is already on record wrt to Privacy/Proxy goals. So if details would undermine that position, we would publish those to the relevant Standing At-Large WG for constituency remark and discussion<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Carlton Samuels:BTW, the relevant Standing At-Large WG is now the Registration Issues WG; the two WG with jurisdiction on RAA issues have been folded into one<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Graeme Bunton:Marika: sounds reasonable<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Carlton Samuels:+1 to proposal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Holly Raiche:agree with proposal<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Luc Seufer:agreed with 2 co-chair<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Luc Seufer:s<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Holly Raiche:That would be terrific if we could change times<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kathy Kleiman:alternating times is good idea<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Volker Greimann:David, how late is it now on your end?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Holly Raiche:In Australia, the call is at 0200<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:@Holly, what times are best for you? We need to check against other WG calls too.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Marika Konings:Alternating only works if others committ to do calls at 2 am too ;-)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> David Cake:just about to hit midnight here.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kathy Kleiman:alternating is what has always been fair...<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> David Cake:which means its ok for me, but probably a bit harsh for most Australians<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Prosser:alternating is fine, so long as it maintains a consistent schedule<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kiran Malancharuvil:I'm all about alternating<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Mary Wong:Will do, Maria.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Luc Seufer:Thank you all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Tim Ruiz:Thanks Maria!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> David Cake:(I'm the other end of Australia from most)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> David Cake:thank you Maria<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Carlton Samuels:Thanks All!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Maria Farrell:Thanks everyone!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Phil Marano:Thank you!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Kathy Kleiman:Tx Maria for chairing!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText> Susan Prosser:Thank you Maria, Mary & Marika<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></body></html>