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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>17 December <span style='color:black'>2013 at 15:00 UTC at:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20131217-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20131217-en.mp3</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</a>dec</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/">http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>James Bladel - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Amr Elsadr - NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Alex Deacon – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Don Blumenthal - RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Gordon Dick - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Graeme Bunton - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kristina Rosette - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Luc Seufer - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Steve Metalitz - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Michele Neylon - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Roy Balleste - NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tim Ruiz - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Todd Williams - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Volker Greimann - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Carlton </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Samuels - At-Large<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Stephanie Perrin - NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Griffin Barnett – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tatiana Khramstova – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Justin Macy – CBUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kathy Kleiman – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Emily Emanuel – CBUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>John Horton – CBUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Keith Kupfershmid – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Theo Geurts – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Phil Marano – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Gema Campillos - GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Val Sherman – SOI to be completed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nic Steinbach - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David Hughes – SOI to be completed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Maria Farrell - NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tobias Sattler – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Apologies:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> Holly Raiche - ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Statton Hammock – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Eric Brunner-Williams – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Olga Cavalli - GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ICANN staff:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Marika Konings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mary Wong<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Margie Milam<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Mailing list archives:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/">http://forum.icann.org/lists/gnso-irtpd/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Wiki page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg">https://community.icann.org/x/B4JwAg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Nathalie Peregrine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span></u></b><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday 17 December <span style='color:black'>2013:</span></span></u></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG meeting of 17 December 2013<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Marika, did Don make it in?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:also, room is muted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:@Graeme - yes, we spoke to Don briefly but I think he is about to get on a plane.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Microphones are now enabled in the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:In order to activate your microphones, if you would rather not dial into the audio bridge, please click on the telephone icon at the top of the toolbar and follow instructions from there. Please remember to mute the microphone however once this is done to avoid background noise, thank you!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Morning All<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Afternoon ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Don Blumenthal had to disconnected as he needed to catch a flight<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Just dialled in. Hi.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Hi All!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Thanks Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa and Phil Marano have joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all, sorry I am late<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:As well as Michele Meylon<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:and me<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:/me hops up and down<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Noted, noted, noted, Michele.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:Nathalie - it was more for Margie :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Phil Marano:Hi Nathalie. I just dialed in, on adobe as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:thank you Phil, noted also<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Gema Campillos has joined the audio bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Should the WG agree on the questions proposed?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Margie Milam:Michele is on the EWG too<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Volker Greimann has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:No, to clarify, should the WG come to come agreement before adding a question or two? or can people individually add questions to the survey?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Tim: It comes from the idea of rebranding as Shield Services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Thanks, Kathy - sorry if I misunderstood. I'd suggest sharing potential questions among the WG to agree on, both today and on the mailing list after, prior to suggesting them to the EWG to avoid duplication or confusion. Will that work?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristina Rosette:I have a clarifying question: Are we talking about a survey (in the true sense of the word) or a poll?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Agreed, Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Just my opinion, but I think the term "shield serivce" isnt helping. Recommend we clarify the distinction between Privacy and Proxy and stick with those terms. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Agreed with Bladel.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:I do like the use of the term regulator/regulation. It is an honest approach of what is being done here.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Format: Yes, to reformatting for ease of response.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:No, it's been called Proxy, which is more correct than Shield based on how it works.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Why does the EWG need this type of detail, and isn't a lot of this covered in the existing p/p studies commissioned by the GNSO?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Protection from unsolicited survey invitations is part of the value of these services. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Tim: It's shield and proxy services vs. privacy and proxy services. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:If my questions could be shared with the group since I am off audio, I would appreciate it. Tx you!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Tim: The idea of using the term Shield in terms of the EWG and the direction of RDS is to look at results of the effort<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:@Margie - oi!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:@margie - you might want to have mentioned this to me :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Margie Milam::)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:or no registrar<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Steve: Yes. Process and Procedure is VERY important to accreditation. So every and all existing procedure is grist for the mill<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:@Steve if the responses aren't anonymised you're not going to get many replies<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:But I believe we must encourage full disclosure by anonymising the source of data<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:+1 Carlton<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Honestly, can we stop coming up with fancy words that have no meaning in practice? This is how we ended up with the prohibition of "piracy" (instead of copyright infringement) in the RA and RRAs.Either one is using a privacy service to keep his details private or one is using a proxy service to have a third party acting as registrant on his behalf. A shield has a negative connotation to me.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:+2 Carlton<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristina Rosette:When we did the Supplemental Domain Tasting Request for Information, participants were assigned a randomized code, which was retained by staff. The responses, as disclosed to the drafting team and as published, were "anonymous". But, it was possible to link the respondent with their code. And, in fact, I remember doing it because some DT members doubted the veracity of certain responses.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Luc: OK. Anonymise means deliberately concealing the source of information<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Val Sherman and Nic Steinbach have joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:Recipients of this survey are businesses, not individuals, and if they are subject to 2013 RAA some of this information needs to be made public anyway. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Kristina, thanks for that - it may be something we can look at, whether it be for the EWG survey or other subsequent surveys that this WG may wish to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristina Rosette:@Mary: I spent hours working with Staff on the Supp. RFI and am happy to provide whatever informatoin (if any) may be helpful.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Kristina, that would be great!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell:Hi all, joining late.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Speaker: Agreed. We can look at the data that is disclosed and infer a process. If we want to validate the details of the process maybe we can go one step furhter. Especially for the verification process we are agreed is required.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Stephanie perrin:@Luc Unfortunately, using the term "privacy" to denote protection of information that is not protected under privacy law (ie. Commercial) is confusing. IN the EWG we are trying to decipher precisely which data elements will be protected, misure of the term "privacy" matters. AS for the term "shield", it is a bit lame, if you have a better one we are all ears. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:@Steve what do you mean?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:@ Stephanie Anonymizer orsomething to that extent<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:@Tim +1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:re anonymization<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Margie Milam:Tim: Shield is only suggested for the privacy services, not proxy <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Mary on some experiences on data sharing from previous WHOIS Studies. We are so advised.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Sorry, audio problems.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:I will dial in. .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@James, sorry to hear that; yes, please do. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Carlton, that was my understanding as well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Now on the phone line. Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@James, you're next, after Michele.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Gordon Dick:Am I missing something or are all these questions and focus on process and procedure of service rather than actually understanding why some corporates or consumers require the service and therefore also what procedures are required to service those needs?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@Margie, ok. Still seems confusing to change it now after years of these services being out there. You will have people, respondents, wondering what you're talking about.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:+1 to James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Gordon, my understanding is that this is the focus of the survey (i.e. actual practices) but you are right, the broader question is one of those that our WG has been tasked to examine.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Do we have a list of all P/P services, including 3rd parties?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@James: Good point on disconnect of the service as a Registrar-only offering here forward.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: Not to our knowledge. Although we can pick up a lot from current registrations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Tx James!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:True, tx Carlton.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:Kathy - I don't think a definitive list exists<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:Rebranding issue may be tempest in teapot since according to one of the Whois studies >90% of all such services are proxy services. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Tx Michele, I haven't seen one either<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Lawyers are not service providers?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Stephanie is right - one of the biggest sets of proxy providers, we think, are lawyers for large companies<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:obviously any rules must also apply to lawyers providing such services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:all providers must be accredited or none<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Lawyers will claim atorney-client privilge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:they provide a service for their clients too<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:too bad<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Could also include domain brokers. Anyone registering a name for the use ofa third party.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:I agree with you, lawyers provide proxy services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Tim: That might be a misspeak. Whomever provides the data that changes the common understanding of registration data is a provider of a service<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:In developing countries, as dysfunctional as it is, a lot of web developers are defacto proxy service providers to their clients too.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:So if a current privacy service were set up by attys, then they could claim the same privilege?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:@Amr - yes, that is very common. And a major source of disputes between customers & service providers.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:But Mary, didn't we find with our first attempt of the "Reveal" study that providers don't want to provide this information?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kristina Rosette:@Kathy: What is the basis for saying that many lawyers provide proxy services? I want to go back and read whatever the source document(s) is/are. Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:look at .de trustee services... most are run by lawyers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Tx you for the explanations, Mary and Margie@<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Back.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Tim: The EWG's objective is to develop a set of principles that could guide policy surrounding recognition of privacy claims attending the Registration Data Directory Service.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:As I calculatte it, next mtg is second week in Jan: Tues, 1/7.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Margie asks that it would be helpful if comments are received by 10 January at the latest.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Thank you Carlton.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Kristina, to earlier question: over time as Whois Review Team and prior task forces collected info, we heard from many attorneys who said if there were no proxy/privacy providers, they would still continue to provide the service and there was nothing we could do<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:to regulate or limit...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:I don't like the answer (and don't kill the messanger!) but I heard it many times.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Thank you Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Happy Holidays All!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Thanks Mary!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:thanks Mary for chairing <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:thank You all for the discussion. It certainly helped me<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marie-laure Lemineur:tx Mary and all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Thanks. Happy holidays. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>