<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763">Hi Volker,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763">
Thanks! I think it's important to put all of this in context, by the way: our experience has been that there's a lot of praise that should be given to many registrars for taking voluntary steps to reduce abuse on their platforms. Including, in many cases, Key-Systems. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763">I'm just getting to a full work day, so I won't respond to all points, except to explain that I think you misunderstand my illegal drugs analogy; my apologies if it wasn't clear. Let's take a real life example of a rogue Internet pharmacy registered with Key-Systems: <u><a href="http://180-tramadol.com">180-tramadol.com</a></u>. This sells prescription drugs without a valid prescription or valid pharmacy licensure. It is a criminal enterprise. The "dispensing pharmacy" -- which was not appropriately licensed as such -- was raided by the DEA, and the supply shifted to coming from Vanuatu, making the drugs illegal to import into the target market because the drugs are unregulated. There are known deaths and overdoses associated with the larger network, which has gone by multiple names over the years: RxPayouts, Brick and Click, and more. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763">But: <u>this website does not violate German law</u>. (At least, the drug safety and pharmacy licensure laws that we are familiar with.) It's very important to understand why: <u style="font-weight:bold">they are only shipping to the US.</u> You cannot, no matter how hard you try, get the drugs shipped to Germany. Try it. In this case, it is not that the activity is legal under German laws. (Obviously, a prescription is required for prescription drugs in Germany, drugs cannot be fake, and so forth.) Rather, it is simply a nullity: it is neither legal nor illegal; rather, German laws simply aren't implicated at all because try as you might, the network will not ship drugs to Germany, precisely in the hope that you will insist on a court order. And so, the rogue pharma network targeting only the US thrives. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763">So, let me ask you this: knowing that, why do you think that this rogue online pharma network only targeting the US -- they have many websites with your company -- is choosing a registrar in Germany, outside of US jurisdiction? </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763">Here is a suggestion: require these websites to transfer to a registrar in the US, since they are <u>only</u> selling drugs to customers in the US. </div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Hi John,<br>
<br>
thank you for your comments, and yes, we do our best to deal with
obvious illegal activities reported to us because we think it is
right, but not because there is a legal obligation to do so.<br>
<br>
First, I think Tim raised a very valuable point, which is that
there needs to be a differentiation between what providers are
doing voluntarily and what they are doing because it is required
(be it by contract, law or other).<br>
<br>
Registrars (and p/p service providers even more so) do not share
the same resources that banks do, nor do we have access to the
same wealth of information about our customers. Therefore, we
cannot be expected to investigate or make a determination of
whether a service is illegal under our own jurisdiction unless it
is obvious that it is. There are simply no ressources available
for such investigations. If we have to "figure it out", we are
basically moving away from the obvious violations and moving into
the territory of the courts and LEAs.<br>
<br>
<br>
Second, your illegal drugs analogy is flawed since if a certain
service were legal in the jurisdiction of the provider, but is
being provided in a country where it is not, there simply is no
requirement to take action, since no laws are being broken in his
jurisdiction. If you are in the US and US laws are not being
broken by publishing for example Nazi hatepages and propaganda,
denying the holocaust or similar actions which are highly illegal
in Germany but not in the US because the US has a different
definition of free speech, then as much as I hate it there is no
court in the US that would require the provider to take action.
Similarly, if copyright laws are different in other countries, for
example with regard to the date a creation enters the public
domain, then a provider in a country where Mickey Mouse is already
in the public domain should not be required to take action against
a site that publishes Mickey Mouse cartoons just because the
copyright protection period is longer in the US. As a German
provider, I will adamantly refuse to enforce laws of a different
country unless these laws match the laws of Germany. <br>
<br>
While it could be argued there may be a moral obligation in
certain cases, there certainly is no legal obligation and we stop
trying to construct super-national law that trumps national law.
That is ultimately the job of national governments coming together
and agreeing to international treaties. <br>
<br>
There also is no need to get a German court order, all you need is
for a German court to confirm that a court order in a different
court should be enforceable in Germany as well. There are
sufficiently advanced legal instruments already in place.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Hi
all,</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Thanks
for the comments. Volker, thanks for your comments, and I
should also note that LegitScript has been appreciative of
Volker's company's (Key-Systems) approach to anti-abuse issues
in the area we deal with. (And, Tim, we think GoDaddy's
anti-abuse team is great and work with them closely.)</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">That
said, let me respond on a few points. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">First,
I'll respond to Tim's question, and Volker's statement about
banks. I<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">t's
simply inaccurate that banks only take action based on legal
requirements, law enforcement requests or court orders.
LegitScript works closely with Visa and other credit card
networks and through them with acquiring banks, so I feel
comfortable stating that we know this area pretty well. The
very firm position of the credit card networks is that
acquirers are bound to ensure that the merchant's activity
is legal in the cardholder's network as well as the
merchant's network. No credit card network would put up with
a bank insisting that they need a court order or law
enforcement request. Generally, when that illegal activity
is shown, the bank cancels not only the credit card account
but the entire account. Without, I again emphasize, a court
order or law enforcement request. (I should note here that
I'm not talking specifically about disclosure of the
merchant's identity but about providing or canceling
services in general.)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I
think that this is a useful analogy because, like in the
ICANN sphere, it's a matter of contract. And it is required
(not voluntary on the part of the bank.) Like in the ICANN
sphere, we also see a common dynamic where -- I'll use
illegal pharma as an example, again because I know it -- an
illegal drug seller living in, say, Thailand targeting
customers in Germany chooses a bank in the US (where German
law enforcement has no jurisdiction), ships the drugs from
China, and so forth. If the bank were to argue to Visa,
"Well, we're in the US and US laws aren't being broken. Get
me a court order from the US." that argument would be
immediately rejected and Visa would fine the bank. The
reason is that the credit card network sphere is largely
governed by contract, because -- just like we see in the
ICANN world -- once companies start insisting on local court
orders, it gives criminals an opportunity to pick safe
havens. </span></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">As
to search engines (responding to Tim's question about what
other industries do, and whether it's voluntary or
required), using Google as an example, their voluntary and I
think very committed efforts (disclosure: we work closely
with them as well as Bing/Yahoo) to stop rogue pharma from
using their paid ad services also occurred pursuant to a
half a billion (USD) fine and non-prosecution agreement.
Microsoft and Yahoo quickly adopted the same standards after
seeing what happened. Voluntary? Well, I think required is
the better word: it's very clear in the search engine space
that if you're running an ad program, it's your
responsibility to make sure that the advertiser (again, in
my area, rogue pharma) is operating legally both in the
country where they are operating and where they are
marketing drugs to. Otherwise, you can be held responsible
for turning a blind eye to criminal activity and profiting
from it. </span></div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">
<span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333969116211px;color:rgb(34,34,34)">That
said, Volker and others raise entirely valid points -- but
the point I'd make is, I think this group needs to achieve
balance on all of these considerations, not discount those
Gema and I have raised. For example, V</span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">olker
(and separately Kathy) have both raised the point that a
complainant could be anti-competitive or falsely claiming to
be a victim. That's absolutely true. We see that too, and
have to deal with it. I just dealt with a situation a few
weeks ago where someone claiming to be a victim was, in
fact, a rogue Internet pharmacy competitor. (But, we figured
it out.) That doesn't take away from the fact that some
complainants are, indeed, victims. These are not mutually
exclusive, and we need to recognize that both dynamics exist
-- not assume that all complainants are victims or are
fraudulent. </span></div>
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</span></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, sans-serif">Coming
back to the task at hand, I'd encourage the group to
consider those questions. They are just questions, which
are, of course, designed to solicit better information and
responses. If they can be improved and rewritten, I'm all
for it. And don't assume from this that I am suggesting that
a complainant (seeming to be a victim) should be immediately
told the registrant's identity -- that sounds like a
horrible policy. We're only proposing questions here to
elicit better information. </font></div>
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</font></div>
<div class="gmail_default"><font face="arial, sans-serif">I hope
that information about credit card networks, banks and
search engines is helpful. Please do not hesitate to let me
know if I can clarify anything. </font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 6:03 AM, Tim
Ruiz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tim@godaddy.com" target="_blank">tim@godaddy.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>I agree with Volker. That said, I would be very
interested in understanding how banks, credit card
companies, and search engines actually deal with
multi-jurisdictional issues. We may be able to glean
some concepts that could be applied to p/p
accreditation.</div>
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On Jan 8, 2014, at 7:21 AM, "Volker Greimann" <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Hi all,<br>
<br>
to respond to John's comments:<br>
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<li><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" color="#073763">When an
allegation of illegal activity is
submitted to the p/p service provider,
it is important to understand that it
may be coming from a victim of the
crime.
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</ul>
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<font color="#073763"><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">When an allegation of
illegal activity is submitted, it is important
to understand that it may be coming from
someone who merely claims to vbe a victim of a
crime, but is in fact not.
</font></font>The purposes for which someone may
want to see the underlying registrant data are
multifold and many of them are with the intent to
later harass the privacy service user, or worse.
We must remember in such cases that there may be a
very good reason why the registrant has opted for
whois privacy. It may therefore be essential for
the registrant to know who has inquired to have
messages relayed or to have the private data
revealed to be able to help the p/p service
provider better understand the situation. While I
understand there may be cases where a complainant
may also have an interest in keeping his identity
hidden, he can avail himself of a multitude of
methods to ensure this prior to launching the
complaint. I do not see this question as actually
necessary.
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<li><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" color="#073763">Similarly,
I proposed an additional question
regarding whether, if disclosure to
the registrant is not required, it
should be permitted even if law
enforcement explains that it will
jeopardize an investigation. The
rationale for this is simply that in
many cases -- in the offline world, as
the online world -- disclosing this
information puts a legitimate
investigation at risk.
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<font color="#073763"><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">Agreed, but not all law
enforcement is created equal. Basically, I
would hold that the p/p operator is unable to
determine if an investigation is legitimate or
not. Therefore, the only law enforcement that
should receive </font></font>special
priviledges should be the law enforcement of the
country where the p/p service is based or operates
from.
<br>
<br>
No such privileges should be extended to private
organizations, no matter how well intentioned
unless they are specially authorized be the laws
of the country of the p/p operator.
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<ul>
<li><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" color="#073763">The
proposed questions pertaining to
jurisdiction are based on the problem
I identified (and Gema did, as well)
in our earlier emails. I do feel that
the way I've written the questions can
be clarified and improved, so I
welcome anyone who would like to give
that a shot. </font> </li>
<li><font face="arial, helvetica,
sans-serif" color="#073763">Similarly,
we propose a question that relates to
the other business interests
controlled by or affiliated with the
p/p service. To explain this, we have
sometimes seen that the criminal
organization "is" the privacy/proxy
service. (Currently, of course, there
is no accreditation scheme, but the
fact remains that is what we see, and
I am happy to provide examples if need
be.) To be very specific, we know of
circumstances where a rogue Internet
pharmacy network operates its own
"proxy" service, or alternatively, the
proxy service -- that is, the
individuals who operate it -- also
operates as affiliate marketers for
rogue networks, using their own
privacy/proxy service primarily for
their own illegal purposes.</font>
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<font color="#073763"><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">Under an accreditation
scheme, if actual collusion can be proven,
that should probably be a reason to pull the
accreditation of the service.</font></font><br>
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Finally, although I unfortunately had to
miss the call this morning, I believe that
some of the comments may have argued that
registrars (or, ICANN) should not have to
address criminal jurisdictional issues (that
is, multi-jurisdictional complexities). I'd
note that banks, credit card networks and
search engine ad programs regularly have to
address precisely the same
multi-jurisdictional questions relating to
criminal activity on their platform and do
not simply leave it to law enforcement. I
would argue that there is no reason to
consider registrars a special case that are
for some reason exempt from having to
address the same issues that companies in
the financial and advertising sectors have
had to address, and have by and large done
so quite competently. I am confident that
the registrar community can competently do
the same.</div>
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</blockquote>
<br>
John, please note that registrars are not (and are
nothing like) banks or credit card networks, which
are highly regulated by national laws. And even
banks take action only based upon legal
requirements, law enforcement requests or court
orders. To demand any more for less regulated
private companies is frankly ridiculous. <br>
<br>
Your new questions as to related to asking them
about applicability of foreign law enforcement
requests sound like an unrealistic wish list at
best. Providers bowing to every whim of foreign
law enforcement or organizations without actual
legal authority would expose themsemselves to
severe legal liability. <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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Thank you for the opportunity to provide
this input, and I welcome any suggestions as
to how our suggestions can be improved or
refined. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jan 7, 2014
at 7:44 AM, Marika Konings <span dir="ltr">
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wrote:<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From:
</span>Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date:
</span>Tuesday 7 January 2014
16:38<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To:
</span>Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:
</span>Fwd: Draft Grouping of
Charter Questions - some edits<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Hi Marika, could
you post this to our working
group?
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<td>Draft Grouping
of Charter
Questions - some
edits</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap>Date:
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<td>Tue, 07 Jan 2014
10:35:02 -0500</td>
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<th valign="BASELINE" align="RIGHT" nowrap>From:
</th>
<td>Kathy Kleiman <a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com" target="_blank">
<kathy@kathykleiman.com></a></td>
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</th>
<td><a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></td>
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<div>Hi All,<br>
Hopefully you have seen
the proposed edits I
just to the SG-C Input
Template (I haven't seen
them posted).
<br>
<br>
Attached here are some
inputs to the Draft
Grouping of Charter
Questions - with an
organizational-type
perspective being added.
The world is really not
just
commercial/individual,
but truly one of
commercial,
noncommercial and
individual (as ICANN has
organized its
non-contracted parties).
<br>
<br>
For a religious group,
political group, hobby
group, dissident group
may be organized as a
limited liability
company to protect the
members in case someone
falls in the building,
but that does not
nullify the fact that
the group is engaged
primarily and fully in
noncommercial speech (as
the wide array of
members of NCSG show).<br>
<br>
Again edits highlighted
and hopefully visible. I
would like to see much
more discussion on this
issue in our next
meeting and over the
list.<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
<br>
:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I will miss the
first 30 minutes
due to another
obligation, but
will join as soon
as I can.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Marika
Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Monday,
January 06,
2014 4:30 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
Proposed
Agenda - PPSAI
PDP WG Meeting</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Dear
All,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Please
find below the
proposed agenda
for the next
PPSAI PDP WG
meeting (Tuesday
7 January at
15.00 UTC).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Best
regards,</span></p>
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<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Marika</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Proposed
Agenda – PPSAI
PDP WG Meeting
– 7 January
2013</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span>1.<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Roll Call / SOI</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span>2.<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Review &
finalise SG/C
Template (see
revised version
attached)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span>3.<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Review &
finalise SO/AC
Outreach Letter
(see revised
version
attached)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span>4.<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Input to EWG
Survey (see
attached)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span>5.<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Update on WG
members survey
(to participate,
please go to <a href="https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/86N33WX" target="_blank">https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/86N33WX</a>) </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span>6.<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Review proposed
charter question
groupings (see
latest version
attached)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:1.0in"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span>7.<span>
</span></span></span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Next steps &
confirm next
meeting</span></p>
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