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    I do not believe in making all our customers pay more just to

    exclude a few bad apples that can also be weeded out by making an

    abuse report.<br>

    <br>

    Verification will also not help against crime, at least not as long

    as there are public data register like phone books or public whois

    as any criminal can simply duplicate verifyable data.<br>

    <br>

    Volker<br>

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    <blockquote

      cite="mid:alpine.LRH.2.03.1401201126470.24895@sanctuary.coldrain.net"

      type="cite">

      <br>

      Hi James,

      <br>

=====================================================================

      <br>

      As Don has just said that this discussion is premature, I will

      stop answering these emails, unless something happens to change

      that. If you wish to continue the discussion with me, please

      contact me off list.

      <br>

      ==================================================================

      <br>

      <br>

      Please don't be silly. Criminal whatever. And of course they lie.

      <br>

      <br>

      If Registrars actually verified registrations, this would not be

      an issue.

      <br>

      <br>

      &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --bob

      <br>

      <br>

      On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, James M. Bladel wrote:

      <br>

      <br>

      <blockquote type="cite">Criminal individuals, or criminal

        commercial organizations?

        <br>

        <br>

        And is it your contention that criminals provide valid

        <br>

        identification/contact details to the P/P service?

        <br>

        <br>

        Thanks&#8249;

        <br>

        <br>

        J.

        <br>

        <br>

        <br>

        On 1/20/14, 10:20 , "Bob Bruen" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bruen@coldrain.net">&lt;bruen@coldrain.net&gt;</a>

        wrote:

        <br>

        <br>

        <blockquote type="cite">

          <br>

          <br>

          Hi Tim,

          <br>

          <br>

          The harm is protecting the identities of criminnals. And I

          consider

          <br>

          undermining whois a harm, as well

          <br>

          <br>

          &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --bob

          <br>

          <br>

          <br>

          On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Tim Ruiz wrote:

          <br>

          <br>

          <blockquote type="cite">What are the problems commercial

            entities that use p/p have caused?

            <br>

            <br>

            <blockquote type="cite">On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:11 AM, "Bob

              Bruen" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:bruen@coldrain.net">&lt;bruen@coldrain.net&gt;</a> wrote:

              <br>

              <br>

              <br>

              Hi Volker,

              <br>

              <br>

              I was merely responding to Stephanie's comments about the

              <br>

              difficulties, not advocating a position.

              <br>

              <br>

              However, as you are aware, I do advocate barring

              commercial entities

              <br>

              from using p/p, because the use has already caused harm

              and we should

              <br>

              fix that. The providers created the problem in the first

              place, so

              <br>

              allowing them to continue to control it simply continues

              the problem.

              <br>

              <br>

              The discussion of all this is the point of this group (and

              other

              <br>

              groups).

              <br>

              <br>

              &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --bob

              <br>

              <br>

              <blockquote type="cite">On Mon, 20 Jan 2014, Volker

                Greimann wrote:

                <br>

                <br>

                I agree that it would be possible to bar commercial

                entities from

                <br>

                using p/p services, however I am not sure it is the

                <br>

                sensible thing to do. Certainly, there is abuse, but by

                creating a

                <br>

                blanket prohibition, i fear more damage will be done to

                <br>

                legitimate interests than good is done to illegitimate

                ones.

                <br>

                In the end it should be up to the provider which

                categories of

                <br>

                clients it accepts.

                <br>

                Volker

                <br>

                Am 20.01.2014 02:08, schrieb Bob Bruen:

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hi Stephanie,

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; It is entirely possible to decide to bar commercial

                entities,

                <br>

                create a definition of "comercial entities" and

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; then deal with those which appear to problematical.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The fraudsters probably will not be a set up as a

                legitimate

                <br>

                bussiness, but their sites can be identified as

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; spam, malware, etc types and thus taking money,

                therefore a

                <br>

                business. I am sure there are other methods to deal

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with problem domain names.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In general, exceptions or problems should not

                derail a process.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; --bob

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On Sun, 19 Jan 2014, Stephanie Perrin wrote:

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I dont want to keep beating a dead horse

                here....but if

                <br>

                there is a resounding

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; response of "yes indeed, bar commercial

                entities from

                <br>

                using P/P services", then

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; how are you going to propose that p/p proxy

                service

                <br>

                providers determine who is a

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; commercial entity, particularly in

                jurisdictions which

                <br>

                have declined to regulate

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the provision of goods and services over the

                Internet?&nbsp; I

                <br>

                don't like asking

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; questions that walk us into corners we cannot

                get out of.

                <br>

                Do the fraudsters we

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; are worried about actually apply for business

                numbers and

                <br>

                articles of

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; incorporation in the jurisdictions in which

                they operate?

                <br>

                I operate in&nbsp; a

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; jurisdiction where this distinction is often

                extremely

                <br>

                difficult to make.&nbsp; THe

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; determination would depend on the precise use

                being made

                <br>

                of the domain

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; name....which gets ICANN squarely into

                content analysis,

                <br>

                and which can hardly be

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; done for new registrations, even if t were

                within ICANN's

                <br>

                remit.&nbsp; I am honestly

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; not trying to be difficult, but I just have

                not heard a

                <br>

                good answer to this

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; problem.

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Stephanie Perrin

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On 2014-01-19, at 4:38 PM, Holly Raiche

                wrote:

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jin and all

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I agree with Jim here (and Don earlier).&nbsp; The

                important

                <br>

                task here is

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; agreeing on the questions to be asked of the

                SO/ACs.&nbsp; So

                <br>

                we need to get

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; back to framing the questions - not answering

                them,

                <br>

                however tempting that

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; may be.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; So the question of whether 'commercial

                entities' should be

                <br>

                barred is still

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; a useful question to ask.&nbsp; The next question

                would be

                <br>

                whether there are

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; possible distinctions that should be drawn

                between an

                <br>

                entity that can use

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the service and one that can't and, if so,

                where is the

                <br>

                line drawn. I agree

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with the discussion on how difficult that

                will be because

                <br>

                many entities

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that have corporate status also have

                reasonable grounds

                <br>

                for wanting the

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; protection of such a service (human rights

                organisations

                <br>

                or women's refuges

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; come to mind).&nbsp;&nbsp; But that is the sort of

                response we are

                <br>

                seeking from

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; others outside of this group - so let's not

                prejudge

                <br>

                answers.&nbsp; Let's only

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; frame the questions that will help us come to

                some

                <br>

                sensible answers.

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Otherwise, we'll never get to the next

                steps.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And my apologies for the next meeting.&nbsp; I

                have a long day

                <br>

                ahead on

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Wednesday (Sydney time) and taking calls at

                2.00am won't

                <br>

                help.&nbsp; So Ill read

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the transcript and be back in a fortnight (2

                weeks for

                <br>

                those who do not use

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the term)

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Holly

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; On 16/01/2014, at 5:39 AM, Jim Bikoff wrote:

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Don and all,

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; As we suggested earlier, and discussed in the

                last Group

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; teleconference, it might be helpful, as a

                next step, if we

                <br>

                reached a

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; consensus on the groups of questions before

                sending them

                <br>

                out to

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; SO/ACs and SG/Cs.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This would involve two steps: First, agreeing

                on the name

                <br>

                of each

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; group; and second, streamlining the questions

                in each

                <br>

                group.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; In the first step, we could consider

                alternative headings

                <br>

                (perhaps

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; REGISTRATION instead of MAINTENANCE).

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And in the second step, we could remove

                duplicative or

                <br>

                vague

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; questions.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; This crystallization would make the questions

                more

                <br>

                approachable, and

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; encourage better responses.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I hope these ideas are helpful.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Best,

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jim

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; James L. Bikoff

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Silverberg, Goldman &amp; Bikoff, LLP

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1101 30th Street, NW

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Suite 120

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Washington, DC 20007

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tel: 202-944-3303

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Fax: 202-944-3306

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jbikoff@sgbdc.com">jbikoff@sgbdc.com</a>

                <br>

                <br>

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; From: Don Blumenthal

                <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dblumenthal@pir.org">&lt;dblumenthal@pir.org&gt;</a>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Date: January 14, 2014 11:09:23 AM EST

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; To: PPSAI <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">&lt;gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org&gt;</a>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Carlton's

                closing chat

                <br>

                question

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Carlton posted an issue that shouldn&sup1;t

                wait a week:

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &sup3;John came up with 4 groups. Do we have a

                notion that

                <br>

                others

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; might be extracted?&nbsp; And where do we

                include/modify

                <br>

                questions

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; to address Stephanie's issue?"

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Jim had four groups and an umbrella Main

                category, which

                <br>

                may be

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; instructive in itself in guiding how we

                proceed

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; organizationally. Regardless, the consensus

                of commenters

                <br>

                has

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; been that his document is a significant

                improvement over

                <br>

                where

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; we were before, and I suggest that we use it

                as a baseline.

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; However, we still have work to do on it. Feel

                free to

                <br>

                suggest

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; modifications.

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Don

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

                _______________________________________________

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                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>

                <br>

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                <br>

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                _______________________________________________

                <br>

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                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

                <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg</a>

                <br>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

                _______________________________________________

                <br>

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                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>

                <br>

                &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

                <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg</a>

                <br>

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                <br>

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                <br>

                <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>

                <br>

                <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg</a>

                <br>

              </blockquote>

              <br>

              --

              <br>

              Dr. Robert Bruen

              <br>

              Cold Rain Labs

              <br>

              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://coldrain.net/bruen">http://coldrain.net/bruen</a>

              <br>

              +1.802.579.6288

              <br>

              _______________________________________________

              <br>

              Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list

              <br>

              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>

              <br>

              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg</a>

              <br>

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              <br>

              <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>

              <br>

              <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg</a>

              <br>

            </blockquote>

            <br>

          </blockquote>

          <br>

          --

          <br>

          Dr. Robert Bruen

          <br>

          Cold Rain Labs

          <br>

          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://coldrain.net/bruen">http://coldrain.net/bruen</a>

          <br>

          +1.802.579.6288

          <br>

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