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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>With additional participants.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nathalie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-gnso-secs@icann.org [mailto:owner-gnso-secs@icann.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathalie Peregrine<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, January 28, 2014 5:26 PM<br><b>To:</b> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<br><b>Cc:</b> gnso-secs@icann.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [gnso-secs] MP3 PPSAI WG - Tuesday 28 January 2014 at 1500UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dear All,</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday 28 January 2014 at 15:00 UTC at:</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140128-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140128-en.mp3</a><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On page: </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#may"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#</span></a>jan</span></u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Don Blumenthal - RySG</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Luc Seufer - RrSG</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marie-Laure Lemineur - NPOC</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Michele Neylon - RrSG</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Volker Greimann - RrSG</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Griffin Barnett – IPC</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Justin Macy – CBUC</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kathy Kleiman – RySG</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Bikoff – IPC</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tatiana Khramstova - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nic Steinbach – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David Heasley - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>James Bladel - RrSG</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Susan Prosser – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kiran Malancharuvil – IPC</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David Cake - NCSG</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Todd Williams – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Valeriya Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Alex Deacon – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Steve Metalitz - IPC</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amr Elsadr - NCUC</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tobias Sattler – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kristina Rosette - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Gema Campillos – GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Carlton Samuels – ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Paul McGrady – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Darcy Southwell – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Ben Anderson – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Billy Watenpaugh – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Emily Emanual - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Apologies:</span></u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Statton Hammock – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Holly Raiche – ALAC</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Roy Balleste – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Stephanie Perrin – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Joe Catapano</span><span 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style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Mailing list archives:</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span 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style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thank you.</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kind regards,</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine</span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span> <span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 28 January 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Paul McGrady:Good morning everyone from Frozen Chicago!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mike Zupke:Greetings, Paul.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:@Paul, just a few hours west of you...it's not so bad today. We are already above zero!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:If you hear anything odd from my end it's because the building is being power washed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:it's like working in a car wash today<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Michele Neylon:http://instagram.com/p/jt0nhNmJ36/<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine:Luc Seufer has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:in case anyone doesn't believe me :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Volker Greimann has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Valeriya Sherman:David Heasley is also on the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Nic Steinbach has joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:thank you Valeriya, noted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Gema Campillos is also on the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:I am on<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Gema Campillos:Hi everybody! I´m back! I understand the letters have already been sent out. GAC members have not received them yet. I´ll brief my colleagues about the WG when the letter arrives.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr is also on the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:dialling in now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:Thanks, Gema, for the note. We will follow up with our colleagues who support the GAC to ensure that the letter (sent to the GAC Chair) is distributed to members.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Hi. Just joined the call.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:I think we will wind up spending way too much time on definitions if we don't have an initial threshold questions...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Kristina Rosette has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Susan Prosser has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@James - would adding "registered" to III. (1) address your point?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Hi Mary. I'm not sure. We can talk about the "domain name used for" or the "content associated with a domain name" which is probably a website, but could be email (commercial or non-commercial) or an app, or something eelse.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Michele, the SO/AC/SG/C responses may help the WG fine tune its work/questions further. You can also go back to them with additional questions/requests at some point if appropriate.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@James, thanks. Perhaps the group can consider adding another bullet point about this under III. (1) then?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Hi everybody. My apologies for the late join<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Akin to a conditional survey<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Maybe doesn't need to be done formally, but should be kept in mind or "flagged" when found.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:David Cake has joinjed the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marie-laure Lemineur:+1 Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Michele: +1.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Carlton Samuels:No audio to me on the A/C<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:dial in :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:also Don seems to be coming and going volume wise<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Was about to try Skype to US TF :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Michele, are you on AC audio or phone bridge? The latter tends to be clearer and more stable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Carlton. That's what I'm using. Working well.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Don sounds fine to me using the AC Audio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton, we can dial out to you if you would rather not dial in<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Ques 1 for III. Registration: Should the WG create categories of p/p customers – or continue to support the current system in which proxy/privacy services are available to companies, noncommercial organizations and individuals? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Valeriya Sherman:How and when are we planning to use the results of the WG member survey?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:+1 Gema<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:on the audio<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:not on anything else :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:@Valeriya - the idea would be to include these together with feedback received from SG/C/AC/SOs as input for the WG to consider in relation to each of these charter questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:All, FYI - the date by which we requested that SO/AC/SG/Cs send us their input is Friday 28 Feb.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:I think Carlton ihas dialed in.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton, I have muted your AC mic<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:No trouble. I'm finally in!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Welcome!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Valeriya Sherman:Thanks @Marika and Mary.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Steve, that is correct - the PDP Manual obligates every WG to seek SO/AC input as early as possible in its deliberations. It does not say you have to wait till they all come in before proceeding.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:But one advantage of early input is of course that it can be helpful to the WG as it begins its work.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Identifying these sub-questions may also help the WG to identify whether there are any areas that require additional data or research.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:as well as planning how to tackle its work (which should form the basis for the work plan)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:sounds better<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Much better!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Susan Prosser:much better<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marie-laure Lemineur:so have we reached an agreement re> Kathy' s question?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Gema Campillos:I hear to you better, Don.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michele Neylon:I'll try to come back<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:the line has been muted<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Gema Campillos:hear you, sorry<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Steve: +1 We move it along and add input from SOs/ACs as we go along. Early input - any input would be Very Helpful and will always help the conversations towards consensus<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Marie-Laure, we will add a footnote/reference to capture Kathy's, James' and Steve's input on that and have a revised document by the next meeting.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Great, tx Steve!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Right, agree with Steve.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marie-laure Lemineur:@steve I agree..<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Steve: can you edit the text per the change - and we can add it as a formal ques in Section III?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Steve: But before we say change, let's ask the questions that probe any disability or deleterious impact associated with status quo<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:How about this: What is the threshold for determining that a "class" or "category" of user/user should be denied from accessing these services?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:James: but is there a threshold?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Gema Campillos:I have some comments, but are not related to the categories issue. May I ask them now or bring them on the mailing list?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Wether categorzation of domain name registrants should be required of accredited service providers is the charter question, isn't it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Gema, do raise your hand so Don can see it and you can speak.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:I see Gemas<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:'s question. Go ahead with what you want to raise<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:I still have faith in ENUM!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:I think we have agreemend on the threshold question: and I would be happy to accept Steve's edits...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Valeriya Sherman:It would make sense for us to review and incorporate input from the surveys of the WG members before we get input from SOs/ACs on Feb 28. Might help us clarify issues/definitions, identify sub-questions and move towards consensus. Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Amr, that was the point Steve made initially. As mentioned we will capture these discussions in the document by way of a footnote - it may be confusing to add so many suggestions on the same point as additional questions or bullet points.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Mary, the proposal is for a threshold question - a Ques. #1 in III. Registration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:@Kathy, how about something like this: Currently, proxy/privacy services are available to companies, noncommercial organizations and individuals. Should there be any change to this aspect of the current system in the new accreditation standards? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:There seems to be convergence on the language.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Good points James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@James: +1. I agree we start at looking at the issue and impacts, decide which ones are bad for business, set a standard for accessing and suggest a pathway to access the services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Mary: My understanding is as per Kathy's comment - changing the txt of the threshold question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Steve: good wording!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Kathy, I had thought Don had agreed to a footnote some time ago. However, if Steve and James and you agree on wording we can add this as a bullet point. indicating that it is a threshold question for III(1).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Mary: I think we can add it as a threshold question in III... <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:Or we can add it at the top as a threshold question.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:Yes Kathy! :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Second option - tx :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Kathy: +1 (to Mary's second option). It seems there is no objection as per Steve's last suggestion.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Steve: Correct me if I'm mistaken please. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Are there laws regarding p/p services, or are they more focused on contact data being published on the actual website's content?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:@Amr not as far as know. Here, laws on hosting uses deal with hosting requirements.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Marika - there seems to be some ambiguity of use of "reveal" and "publish" - should I point that out on the list?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Luc: Thanks. That's my understanding as well, but I am not an expert. :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Kathy, that may be something for the Reveal sub group to discuss.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:(if that is how the WG decides to proceed; hence it would be helpful to decide the approach sooner rathr than later).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:INFINITY!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Wow Alice in Wonderland!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:And we have multiple screens too when supporting WG calls :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Inception? IPCand NC agreeing, I knew I was dreaming <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr::)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:@Kathy - as Mary said, developing definitions is probably something that will occur as part of the WG deliberations on these questions.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Marika and Mary, I think there is a place in the new bullets where the word "publish" is used in lieu of "reveal." big difference in implications so it is something i will share. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:... in upcoming comments.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Paul McGrady:While it took some time, I thought today's discussion was extremely helpful. Thank you all.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:yes, provided it is not at 7:30 in the morning<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marie-laure Lemineur:I support the idea of a F2F meeting in Singapore<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Volker: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Phil Marano:Very sorry to be so late, I had a meeting run long.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Phil Marano:I'll listen to the recording when it is published.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:Assuming the main schedule doesn't change much, Thursday morning is usually good.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:That is what we used for the first meeting in Buenos Aires.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: There is indeed a difference even in the basic grammar between 'publish' and 'reveal'. In this context this is even of greater importance to respect the difference in meaning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tobias Sattler:@Volker: +1<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:@Mary: There were some WG meetings at 07:30 in BA. They didn't attract as much participation as we would hope.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong 2:@Amr, same thing for evenings :(<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Wait...isn't PIR a sponsor?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:I know scheduling is not easy, but WG f2f is important.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tobias Sattler:Thank you<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Thanks Don. Bye.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Thanks Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@ Carlton: I'll put out more details soon.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marie-laure Lemineur:tx Don and all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Thanks, bye<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> David Cake:thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Thanks Don. Thanks all. Stimulating discussion<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Susan Prosser:thanks Don.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>