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Hi Margie,<br>
<br>
as the terms license, licensee or licensed are not capitalized, we
cannot infer that both sections actually mean the same thing. <br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 11.02.2014 17:55, schrieb Margie
Milam:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Don & All-<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Maybe this will
help clear up the confusion- from the definition of Proxy
Service under the 2013 RAA Spec:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">1.3 "Proxy
Service" is a service through which a Registered Name Holder
licenses use of a Registered Name to the P/P Customer in
order to provide the P/P Customer use of the domain name,
and the Registered Name Holder's contact information is
displayed in the Registration Data Service (Whois) or
equivalent services rather than the P/P Customer's contact
information.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All the best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Margie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
Don Blumenthal [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:dblumenthal@pir.org">mailto:dblumenthal@pir.org</a>] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Margie Milam; Volker Greimann;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of
relay, publication, reveal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">I get more
baffled as we go with this thread. How would the
beneficial holder of a domain be in a license arrangement
with a p/p provider? I can’t see it under any definition
of the term “license” that I have seen. Examples welcome
for educational purposes but the final word won’t be up to
the WG. We will pull the points made in this thread and
use them to frame our questions for GC. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">Don<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b>Margie Milam <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Margie.Milam@icann.org">Margie.Milam@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 11:30 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Volker Greimann <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>,
PPSAI <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of
relay, publication, reveal<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Also— the
P/P Specification from the 2013 RAA also refers to
licensee:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:.25in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0
level2 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="mso-list:Ignore">1.1<span style="font:7.0pt
"Times New Roman""> </span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="color:#1F497D">"P/P Customer" means, regardless
of the terminology used by the P/P Provider, the
licensee, customer, beneficial user, beneficiary, or
other recipient of Privacy Services and Proxy Services</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:.25in"><span
style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All the
best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Margie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Margie Milam<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Volker Greimann; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions
of relay, publication, reveal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Hi Volker
& All-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I am not
aware of a definition of licensing in the 2013 RAA or
any of the previous versions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">However,
please look at it Section 3.4.1.5 from the 2013 RAA
that uses the term “licensee” in the context of proxy
registration services:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">3.4.1.5 the
name, postal address, e-mail address, and voice
telephone number provided by the customer of any privacy
service or licensee of any proxy registration service,
in each case, offered or made available by Registrar or
its Affiliates in connection with each registration.
Effective on the date that ICANN fully implements a
Proxy Accreditation Program established in accordance
with Section 3.14, the obligations under this Section
3.4.1.5 will cease to apply as to any specific category
of data (such as postal address) that is expressly
required to be retained by another party in accordance
with such Proxy Accreditation Program.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Margie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 9:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions
of relay, publication, reveal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Margie,<br>
<br>
as discussed earlier today, there seems to be disagreement
over what the term "licensing" means and if it should
apply to privacy or proxy services.<br>
<br>
Volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 11.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Margie
Milam:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">All-</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I think
the language you are looking for is in the body of the
2013 RAA under Section 3.7.7.3 below: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">3.7.7.3
Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use
of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the
Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible
for providing its own full contact information and for
providing and updating accurate technical and
administrative contact information adequate to
facilitate timely resolution of any problems that
arise in connection with the Registered Name. A
Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered
Name according to this provision shall accept
liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the
Registered Name, unless it discloses the current
contact information provided by the licensee and the
identity of the licensee within seven (7) days to a
party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable
evidence of actionable harm.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Margie</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>James M. Bladel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 7:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Marika
Konings; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
definitions of relay, publication, reveal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">No.
This language does not exist in the 2013 RAA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13-en.htm#privacy-proxy">http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/raa/approved-with-specs-27jun13-en.htm#privacy-proxy</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt">J.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b>Michele Neylon -
Blacknight <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:06 <br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>,
"Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es">GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions
of relay, publication, reveal<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE">So it’s not in the RAA then is it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-IE">Mr
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lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-IE">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-IE"> Marika
Konings [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">mailto:marika.konings@icann.org</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michele Neylon - Blacknight;
Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: definitions of relay,
publication, reveal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-IE">Michele, the reference comes from a
document that was produced in February 2009, so
presumably it is referring to an earlier version
of the RAA.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-IE">Best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-IE">Marika</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-IE">From: </span></b><span
lang="EN-IE">Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56<br>
<b>To: </b>"Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es">GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es</a>>,
Marika Konings <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: definitions of relay,
publication, reveal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE">Gema</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE">Which clause in the RAA
stipulates this?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE">I’m looking at the 2013 RAA’s
proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see
this.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-IE">--</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-IE">Mr
Michele Neylon</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-IE">Blacknight
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-IE">From:</span></b><span
style="mso-fareast-language:EN-IE"><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Campillos Gonzalez,
Gema Maria<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014
12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marika Konings<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
definitions of relay, publication, reveal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-IE"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Yes,
I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines
“relay” and in a very confusing way, mixing it
with “reveal”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">5)
Relay Information Requests</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">See
study # 20 for this term’s use in context.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Problems
arise from time to time in connection with
registered names. Allegations of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">actionable
harm require copyright and trademark owners,
law enforcement officials and</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">others
to be able to operate through a proxy or
privacy service provider to contact the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">domain
name user. Potential “harms” could include
suspected fraud, intellectual property</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">rights
infringement, or the infringement of other
civil or criminal laws. To support the</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">relay
of information requests, service providers
must have reliable and timely means of</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">communicating
with their domain licensees.<b> The ICANN
Registrar Accreditation</b></span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:#1F497D">Agreement stipulates
that the proxy registrant reveal the
identity of the domain licensee</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="color:#1F497D">upon reasonable
evidence of actionable harm or risk
liability for resulting harm.</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So,
I insist definitions of “relay”, “reveal” and
“publication” are included in the “Grouping of
Charter Questions” paper or else, referenced
to a document that provides its meaning in the
context of Proxy-Privacy Services. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Thank
you again and best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ES"
lang="ES">Gema</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="ES">De:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""
lang="ES"> Marika Konings [<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">mailto:marika.konings@icann.org</a>]
<br>
<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 11 de febrero
de 2014 13:16<br>
<b>Para:</b> Campillos Gonzalez, Gema
Maria<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: definitions of relay,
publication, reveal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES">Dear
Gema,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES">I think
that refers to the attached document which
is also posted on the WG wiki (background
documents – see <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg">https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg</a>).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES">Marika</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES">From: </span></b><span
lang="ES">"<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema
Maria <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es">GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>definitions of relay,
publication, reveal</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt" lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES">Dear
Marika, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES">Where
exactly can I find the definitions for the
terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the
“Grouping of Charter Questions” paper,
there is a reference to the “Terms of
Reference for GNSO Whois Studies (refer to
WG Background Documents).”, but I am not
able to find that document. Could you
please point me to the paper I have to
look up? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES">Thank you
so much, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ES"
lang="ES">Gema </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New
Roman","serif""><br>
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.
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Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
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