<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Am I correct in assuming that the following snippet from the 2013 agreement is (also) undefined: <span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 14px;">and the identity of the licensee </span><div>When are we going to define what we mean by that?</div><div>Stephanie Perrin<br><div><div>On Feb 11, 2014, at 9:32 AM, James M. Bladel <<a href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com">jbladel@godaddy.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div>RAA Section 3.7.7.3 can be a bit of a lightning rod and is often applied to P/P situations (and daily efforts to incorrectly extend it to things like spam, gambling, hate speech, cyberbullying, etc.) I think it is too broad for our purposes.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, February 11, 2014 at 8:14 <br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <<a href="mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es">GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal<br>
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<div>Michele, I found this language in the 2001 RAA:</div>
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<div>3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate
technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept
liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it promptly discloses the identity of the licensee to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of actionable harm.</div>
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<div>And in the 2009 RAA:</div>
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<div>3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate
technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept
liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it promptly discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee and the identity of the licensee to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable evidence of
actionable harm.</div>
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<div>And the 2013 RAA:</div>
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<div>3.7.7.3 Any Registered Name Holder that intends to license use of a domain name to a third party is nonetheless the Registered Name Holder of record and is responsible for providing its own full contact information and for providing and updating accurate
technical and administrative contact information adequate to facilitate timely resolution of any problems that arise in connection with the Registered Name. A Registered Name Holder licensing use of a Registered Name according to this provision shall accept
liability for harm caused by wrongful use of the Registered Name, unless it discloses the current contact information provided by the licensee<font color="#ff475f"> and the identity of the licensee</font> within seven (7) days to a party providing the Registered Name Holder reasonable
evidence of actionable harm.</div>
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<div>Presumably that is the provision referenced?</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday 11 February 2014 15:06<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>, "Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <<a href="mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es">GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal<br>
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So it’s not in the RAA then is it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michele Neylon - Blacknight; Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Michele, the reference comes from a document that was produced in February 2009, so presumably it is referring to an earlier version of the RAA.</span><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Marika<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="">From: </span></b><span style="">Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 11 February 2014 14:56<br>
<b>To: </b>"Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria" <<a href="mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es">GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es</a>>, Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: definitions of relay, publication, reveal<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Gema</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Which clause in the RAA stipulates this?</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I’m looking at the 2013 RAA’s proxy / privacy specification and I cannot see this.</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Regards</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Michele</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 12:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marika Konings<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] definitions of relay, publication, reveal</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style=""> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Yes, I´ve seen this, Marika, but it only defines “relay” and in a very confusing way, mixing it with “reveal”.</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">5) Relay Information Requests</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">See study # 20 for this term’s use in context.</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Problems arise from time to time in connection with registered names. Allegations of</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">actionable harm require copyright and trademark owners, law enforcement officials and</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">others to be able to operate through a proxy or privacy service provider to contact the</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">domain name user. Potential “harms” could include suspected fraud, intellectual property</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">rights infringement, or the infringement of other civil or criminal laws. To support the</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">relay of information requests, service providers must have reliable and timely means of</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">communicating with their domain licensees.<b> The ICANN Registrar Accreditation</b></span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Agreement stipulates that the proxy registrant reveal the identity of the domain licensee</span></b><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">upon reasonable evidence of actionable harm or risk liability for resulting harm.</span></b><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">So, I insist definitions of “relay”, “reveal” and “publication” are included in the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper or else, referenced to a document that provides its meaning in the context
of Proxy-Privacy Services. </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D">Thank you again and best regards,</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#1F497D"> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:ES">Gema</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;">De:</span></b><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;"> Marika Konings [<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">mailto:marika.konings@icann.org</a>]
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<b>Enviado el:</b> martes, 11 de febrero de 2014 13:16<br>
<b>Para:</b> Campillos Gonzalez, Gema Maria<br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: definitions of relay, publication, reveal</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Dear Gema,</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 10.5pt;">I think that refers to the attached document which is also posted on the WG wiki (background documents – see <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg">https://community.icann.org/x/XSWfAg</a>).</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Best regards,</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="font-size: 10.5pt;">Marika</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="ES" style="">From: </span></b><span lang="ES" style="">"<Campillos Gonzalez>", Gema Maria <<a href="mailto:GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es">GCAMPILLOS@minetur.es</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday 11 February 2014 12:50<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org">marika.konings@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>definitions of relay, publication, reveal</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="">Dear Marika, </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style=""> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="">Where exactly can I find the definitions for the terms in the heading? In footnote 7 of the “Grouping of Charter Questions” paper, there is a reference to the “Terms of Reference for GNSO Whois Studies
(refer to WG Background Documents).”, but I am not able to find that document. Could you please point me to the paper I have to look up?
</span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style=""> </span><span style=""><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES" style="">Thank you so much, </span>
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