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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Dear all,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Our sincerest apologies for the delay. This email was sent on the day of the PPSAI WG call, but we discovered today that there had been issues with Terri’s email address, and so this did not get through.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>These issues have now been resolved, and we are terribly sorry for the inconvenience.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kind regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nathalie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on Tuesday </span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>18<span style='color:black'> February 2014 at 15:00 UTC at:</span></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140218-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140218-en.mp3</a></span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On page: </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb">http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#feb</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Luc Seufer - RrSG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Volker Greimann - RrSG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Maria Farrell – NCUC </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Graeme Bunton – RrSG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tim Ruiz – RrSG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Sarah Wyld – no SOI as of yet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>David Heasley - IPC</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>James Bladel - RrSG</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Steve Metalitz - IPC</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Osvaldo Novoa - ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Valeriya Sherman – IPC</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kathy Kleiman – RySGgr</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Justin Macey - BC</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Darcy Southwell - RrSG</span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Carlton Samuels – ALAC</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Alex Deacon - IPC</span></span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Ben Anderson – RrSG</span><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Todd Williams – IPC</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Don Moody - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Theo Geurts - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Susan Prosser - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Don Blumenthal - RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Libby Baney - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Michael Shoukry - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Phil Marano – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Bikoff – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tatiana Khramstova - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Griffin Barnett - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Amr Elsadr - NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tobias Sattler - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Holly Raiche - ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Paul McGrady - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Gema Campillos - GAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Roy Balleste – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ICANN staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Marika Konings</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Mary Wong<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Margie Milam<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Amy Bivins<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Mike Zupke<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Joe Catapano</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Terri Agnew<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Nathalie Peregrine</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Mailing list archives:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/">http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Wiki page:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg">https://community.icann.org/x/9iCfAg</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind regards,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Terri Agnew</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for Tuesday 1</span></u></b><b><u><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>8<span style='color:black'> February 2014:</span></span></u></b><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Dear all, welcome to the PPSAI WG call on February 18th 2014 at 1500 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:g'morning all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Theo Geurts:gáfternoon ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Val Sherman:Griffin Barnett is also on call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:We will announce more people joining the call in Adobe chat. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Libby Barnett has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Libby Baney, apologies<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Don Moody and Carlton Samuels are also inn the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Hi everybody<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Susan Prosser is on the audio bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Moody:Greetings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Tim Ruiz has joined the Ac room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Justin macy has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Osvaldo Novoa:Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Terri Agnew:carlton samuels has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:Template looks good to me, thanks staff. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Not sure what happened but enabling audio seem to lose me audio, go figure. Can only restore by restarting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Carlton, we can dial out to you if you prefer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Michael Shoukry has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Nathalie: No worry. If I need to say something I will make a specific request on chat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:how big was the sample and how were domain names selected for the study?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:there's quite an echo on steve's line<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:@maria: I don't hear it...maybe just on your line?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:oh, maybe so. I'm on the adobe connect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:it's gone now in any case<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Which of questions does Staff propose that this study helps to inform us?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:I'd support hearing about the misuse of whois, as long as we keep on track, time wise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1 to the CM Study. That would be much more useful to this part of the conversation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Did the full report give actual percentages instead of just "significant?" And does it compare that with the percentages of the universe of all domains as a whole?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:Mary, the Whois Registrant ID study is the one that has teherelevant information. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:The CMU study gets to why users may choose to use P/P services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Mary: I think the Misue of Whois Data study findings will be very useful to our work...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Libby Baney:regarding the cited surveys and studies, could Staff send around links to each so WG members may read if desired?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@James: I agree that conserving the terms and condition of the RAA aso far as required. P/P Services are exit loops for alternate processing that must rejoin the main process to be useful. Hence the need for accreditation, the key requirement being a trust relationship<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Links are on the wiki page<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:But that could change with market condidtions. Or if a large player (e.g. DomainsByProxy) changed its service model.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:How does one distinguish between a proxy and a privacy registration?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:(if you are netither the registrant nor the p/p provider)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Luc: Apparently the steps in the "reveal " process<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:privacy: hides some details but not others:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:proxy: hides all details<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:We can hear you Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:bloddy heck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Did we ask for a review of this study? Could we hold off on any more of these types of reviews until the WG decides what it needs to review and inform its work?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Volker: To me its like po-tato and po-taa-to. Its the resulyts that matter. So for me, all that is a black box. I'm prepared to accept all so long as 1. The provider is accredited. 2. The provider accepts strict liability. All the details can be determined by the business moidel the provider adopts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:David Heasley is on the audio bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:I think Privacy Services are harder to identify and usage is likely higher than any study has noted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:I'm actually running a seminar so I'm back and forth...going forth now<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Tim, do you think there is an issue/question of trying to figure out and find Privacy Service providers?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:Apart from the difference in the 'Reveal' side, is there any difference in how the two services are marketed? i.e. are proxy services sold as means to protect privacy, but we (ICANN) classify them as proxy services?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Tim, cont: are they (privacy service providers) likely to be more informal?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:ok, sounds good<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@Kathy, they often use the actual beneficial user's name as the registrant but use other info for address, email, phone, etc. And even that info may be somewhat different for each name registered.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:that would be great, thanks Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:also: what is a "significant percentage"? 1%? 5%? 10? More?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:apologies, old hand<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Tim, tx!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Tim, staff was requested to present a short summary of the relevant Whois studies; based on comments on the charter questions it seemed that this particular study - despite its ultimate findiings - was of interest to the WG. Apologies that the prevalance question was not directly answered - as mentioned we will pull out the various studies and try to give a more prcecise report on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Hmm. I'm not on mute<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:That's what was saying.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:Of the 320 domain registrants coded as Privacy/Proxy service providers, only 10 were determined to beprivacy service providers. In other words, about 3 percent of domain registrants using a privacy or proxyservice used a privacy service<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:Source: <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/registrant-identification-summary-06feb13-en.pdf"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/registrant-identification-summary-06feb13-en.pdf</span></a> That was the draft report (on which cmments were filed) but the firgues might have changed in final?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@Steve, what was the methodology used? It can be very difficult to identify Privacy Service domains.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Can we wait until there is more feedback??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:I don't see a diversity of sources at this time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Steve, the final report states 20 privacy service providers out of 320.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:The main figure, though, is that 6% of registrants using either Privacy pr Proxy services used a privacy service.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:The dataset was based on a random sampling of 1600 domains across the top 5 gTLDs (with some adjustment for the .info and .biz domains)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:only 1600!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Yes - that may be something for the WG to bear in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Graeme I'm happy to explain why we ended up at 1600 (has to do with earlier studies)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Also note that in certain cases comments may need to be redirected to other templates if deemed not specific to the question at hand<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Perhaps we proceed with the concept that it is one accreditation for P/P providers. When we address something that should clearly warrant distinguishing a difference between them, we do. What I don't want to do is to just ignore the fact that Privacy type services exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Roy Balleste sends his apology for today's call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Sure I can talk about it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Please give me a moment to cal in the audio bridg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Justin, jump in when you are on and someone has finished speaking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:It seems to be me that privacy and proxy services are different. If anything, privacy services provide MORE information and therefore should probably have fewer obligations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:it may be taking justin some time to get on. I just did and was on hold for 3 mins<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Justin ois not on the bridge yet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:+1 @ Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:In other words, this question will answer itself as we go.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Please send any proposed additions to the mailing list and specify to which charter question or sub-queston these relate so we can include it in the right palce.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Val Sherman:+1 @Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Sorry, need to drop the call. Thanks everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:also, please include a link to your source so we can add that as well<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Could we resend out the link for the Survey, for those who have not yet responded?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:Perhaps add a question at the end of all future templates -- should the same standard apply to proxy srvices and privacy services? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/86N33WX<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:+1 Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:+1 steve, thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:@Steve - noted. I'll add this to the next iteration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Good question, Steve -- with a "and why" added to the question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Val Sherman:+1 @Steve and Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:great call. thanks everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Thx Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:thanks don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:prtfrct don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michael Shoukry:thanks everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Phil Marano:Thanks everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Bye All!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:thank you Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Alex Deacon:bye!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Theo Geurts:gáfternoon ;)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:hi all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Val Sherman:Griffin Barnett is also on call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:We will announce more people joining the call in Adobe chat. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Libby Barnett has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Libby Baney, apologies<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Don Moody and Carlton Samuels are also inn the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Hi everybody<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Susan Prosser is on the audio bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Moody:Greetings<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Tim Ruiz has joined the Ac room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Justin macy has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Osvaldo Novoa has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Osvaldo Novoa:Hi everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Terri Agnew:carlton samuels has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:Template looks good to me, thanks staff. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Not sure what happened but enabling audio seem to lose me audio, go figure. Can only restore by restarting<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:@ Carlton, we can dial out to you if you prefer<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Michael Shoukry has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Phil Marano has joined the AC room<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Nathalie: No worry. If I need to say something I will make a specific request on chat<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:how big was the sample and how were domain names selected for the study?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:there's quite an echo on steve's line<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:@maria: I don't hear it...maybe just on your line?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:oh, maybe so. I'm on the adobe connect.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:it's gone now in any case<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Which of questions does Staff propose that this study helps to inform us?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:I'd support hearing about the misuse of whois, as long as we keep on track, time wise.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Kathy: +1 to the CM Study. That would be much more useful to this part of the conversation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Did the full report give actual percentages instead of just "significant?" And does it compare that with the percentages of the universe of all domains as a whole?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:Mary, the Whois Registrant ID study is the one that has teherelevant information. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:The CMU study gets to why users may choose to use P/P services.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Mary: I think the Misue of Whois Data study findings will be very useful to our work...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Libby Baney:regarding the cited surveys and studies, could Staff send around links to each so WG members may read if desired?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@James: I agree that conserving the terms and condition of the RAA aso far as required. P/P Services are exit loops for alternate processing that must rejoin the main process to be useful. Hence the need for accreditation, the key requirement being a trust relationship<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Links are on the wiki page<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:But that could change with market condidtions. Or if a large player (e.g. DomainsByProxy) changed its service model.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:How does one distinguish between a proxy and a privacy registration?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:(if you are netither the registrant nor the p/p provider)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Luc: Apparently the steps in the "reveal " process<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:privacy: hides some details but not others:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:proxy: hides all details<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:We can hear you Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:bloddy heck<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Did we ask for a review of this study? Could we hold off on any more of these types of reviews until the WG decides what it needs to review and inform its work?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Volker: To me its like po-tato and po-taa-to. Its the resulyts that matter. So for me, all that is a black box. I'm prepared to accept all so long as 1. The provider is accredited. 2. The provider accepts strict liability. All the details can be determined by the business moidel the provider adopts.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:David Heasley is on the audio bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:I think Privacy Services are harder to identify and usage is likely higher than any study has noted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:agreed<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:I'm actually running a seminar so I'm back and forth...going forth now<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Tim, do you think there is an issue/question of trying to figure out and find Privacy Service providers?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:Apart from the difference in the 'Reveal' side, is there any difference in how the two services are marketed? i.e. are proxy services sold as means to protect privacy, but we (ICANN) classify them as proxy services?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Tim, cont: are they (privacy service providers) likely to be more informal?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:ok, sounds good<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@Kathy, they often use the actual beneficial user's name as the registrant but use other info for address, email, phone, etc. And even that info may be somewhat different for each name registered.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:that would be great, thanks Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:also: what is a "significant percentage"? 1%? 5%? 10? More?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:apologies, old hand<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:@Tim, tx!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Tim, staff was requested to present a short summary of the relevant Whois studies; based on comments on the charter questions it seemed that this particular study - despite its ultimate findiings - was of interest to the WG. Apologies that the prevalance question was not directly answered - as mentioned we will pull out the various studies and try to give a more prcecise report on the list.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Hmm. I'm not on mute<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:That's what was saying.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:Of the 320 domain registrants coded as Privacy/Proxy service providers, only 10 were determined to beprivacy service providers. In other words, about 3 percent of domain registrants using a privacy or proxyservice used a privacy service<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:Source: <a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/registrant-identification-summary-06feb13-en.pdf"><span style='color:#0563C1'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/issues/whois/registrant-identification-summary-06feb13-en.pdf</span></a> That was the draft report (on which cmments were filed) but the firgues might have changed in final?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@Steve, what was the methodology used? It can be very difficult to identify Privacy Service domains.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Can we wait until there is more feedback??<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:I don't see a diversity of sources at this time.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Steve, the final report states 20 privacy service providers out of 320.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:The main figure, though, is that 6% of registrants using either Privacy pr Proxy services used a privacy service.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:The dataset was based on a random sampling of 1600 domains across the top 5 gTLDs (with some adjustment for the .info and .biz domains)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:only 1600!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Yes - that may be something for the WG to bear in mind.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Graeme I'm happy to explain why we ended up at 1600 (has to do with earlier studies)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Also note that in certain cases comments may need to be redirected to other templates if deemed not specific to the question at hand<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Perhaps we proceed with the concept that it is one accreditation for P/P providers. When we address something that should clearly warrant distinguishing a difference between them, we do. What I don't want to do is to just ignore the fact that Privacy type services exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Roy Balleste sends his apology for today's call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Sure I can talk about it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Please give me a moment to cal in the audio bridg<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Justin, jump in when you are on and someone has finished speaking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:It seems to be me that privacy and proxy services are different. If anything, privacy services provide MORE information and therefore should probably have fewer obligations<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:it may be taking justin some time to get on. I just did and was on hold for 3 mins<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Justin ois not on the bridge yet<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:+1 @ Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:In other words, this question will answer itself as we go.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Please send any proposed additions to the mailing list and specify to which charter question or sub-queston these relate so we can include it in the right palce.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Val Sherman:+1 @Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Sorry, need to drop the call. Thanks everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:also, please include a link to your source so we can add that as well<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Could we resend out the link for the Survey, for those who have not yet responded?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz 2:Perhaps add a question at the end of all future templates -- should the same standard apply to proxy srvices and privacy services? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/86N33WX<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Justin Macy:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:+1 Steve<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:+1 steve, thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:@Steve - noted. I'll add this to the next iteration.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Good question, Steve -- with a "and why" added to the question<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Val Sherman:+1 @Steve and Kathy<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Maria Farrell 2:great call. thanks everyone.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Thx Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:thanks don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:prtfrct don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Michael Shoukry:thanks everyone<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Phil Marano:Thanks everyone!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Bye All!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:thank you Don<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Alex Deacon:bye!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>