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    Hi Holly,<br>
    <br>
    just a few points off the top of my head:<br>
    <br>
    1) Not all countries have such an easily accessible online database,
    in fact most countries do not. <br>
    2) This does not in any way prevent anyone to steal the
    identification number.<br>
    3) Criminals have a way of quickly finding their way around
    roadblocks, but the normal users tend to get caught up in them. <br>
    <br>
    Volker<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 01.03.2014 05:30, schrieb Holly
      Raiche:<br>
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    <blockquote
      cite="mid:E7053877-04B7-4C39-B77B-C8803AE95DF4@internode.on.net"
      type="cite">Just to add a bit from the Oz perspective.
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      <div>For a perspective registrant to get a .com.au name, s/he must
        produce an ABN (Australian business number). &nbsp;To get one of
        those &nbsp;one has to walk into one of the corporate regulator's
        offices, with 2 pieces of photo ID plus a bit of money. &nbsp;So when
        that person then applies for a .com.au name, the registrar can
        easily check on the regulator' data base to match the name,
        contact details and ABN number with the applicant's details.
        &nbsp;Does that mean the person will not use the ABN number in
        committing corporate criminality/fraud - no. &nbsp;Indeed, does that
        mean the person is who they say they are (and have IDs for) -
        no. &nbsp;But it does make it more difficult to get a .com.au name.
        &nbsp;It's not perfect. But it puts a few roadblocks up. &nbsp;Once those
        roadblocks have been overcome, then I agree with Stephanie -
        once there are reasonable tests for verification that have been
        met - in compliance with the 2013 RAA requirements - go after
        the miscreant.</div>
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      <div>Holly</div>
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          <div>On 01/03/2014, at 2:39 PM, Tim Ruiz wrote:</div>
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              <div>So to make your invsetigation of 150 cases easier
                (which I question in any event) millions of users are
                needlessly &nbsp;hassled. Makes perfect sense in today's
                world I guess.</div>
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              <div>Tim</div>
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              <div>On Feb 28, 2014, at 5:32 PM, "John Horton" &lt;<a
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                  href="mailto:john.horton@legitscript.com">john.horton@legitscript.com</a>&gt;
                wrote:<br>
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                      Hi all,</div>
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                      Verification and re-verification of registration
                      data would be enormously useful and important in
                      identifying, mapping and deterring malfeasance.
                      Just to share our background to put our comments
                      in context, we've assisted in over 150 drug or
                      supplement investigations by conducting cybercrime
                      research, and each project typically involved
                      research into dozens, hundreds or even thousands
                      of Whois records plus corresponding IP/NS/MX etc.
                      information. There are numerous instances in which
                      either 1) the accurate Whois data (including,
                      accurate data behind a Whois privacy/proxy
                      service) "broke open" the case, or 2) submitting a
                      WDRPS complaint in instances where we could show
                      that the Whois data was inaccurate resulted in
                      modified Whois information that then "broke open"
                      the case, either by virtue of the modified Whois
                      information itself, or from derivative information
                      (e.g., additional reverse queries on Whois, name
                      server, IP address or other records). Keep in mind
                      too that sometimes showing that the Whois record
                      is falsified results in the suspension of the
                      domain name, which also has the effect of stopping
                      the harmful use of that particular domain name.
                      Verification would result in some instances of
                      inaccurate registration data becoming accurate, or
                      alternatively, of discontinuing registration
                      services.<br>
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                      In the interests of brevity, I hope that summary
                      is enough explanation, but if anyone still doesn't
                      understand how (or agree that) verified
                      registration data -- or by extension, verification
                      and some sort of periodic re-verification -- is
                      useful, I'm happy to provide a couple of real life
                      examples of investigations we've worked on where
                      either the a) accuracy of the Whois record or b)
                      response to the inaccuracy finding was extremely
                      useful, although I'll modify the domain names.
                      Again, I'm happy to provide real-life examples,
                      with redacted information. It's not just
                      occasionally or mildly useful. It's enormously
                      important.&nbsp;</div>
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                      One additional point: keep in mind that when
                      researching criminal networks, there are typically
                      multiple (hundreds or even thousands) of domain
                      names at play, and even if -- as Tim pointed out
                      -- the verified email and phone number have
                      nothing to do with the person's real identity,
                      good cybercrime research across the thousands of
                      Whois records can often result in derivative
                      information pointing to the real identity of the
                      criminal entities.&nbsp;</div>
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                      As to the point that the domain name isn't harmful
                      but the content may be, I suspect that there are
                      minds that won't be changed in this group on both
                      sides of that argument. :) But, I'd point out that
                      that train has left the station, so to speak:
                      Section 3.18 of the 2013 RAA clearly contemplates
                      harmful use of a domain name.&nbsp;</div>
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                      Thanks,&nbsp;</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at
                        12:36 PM, Tim Ruiz <span dir="ltr">
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                            <div>It doesn't. I can use perfectly good
                              information, including a verifiable phone
                              number and email address, that has nothing
                              to do with who I really am. As we have
                              tried to argue before, unsuccessfully, is
                              that all verification does is push the
                              "miscreants" to be better at obfiscating
                              who they are (and it just isn't that
                              hard). As you said, it only results in
                              making it difficult for everyone for the
                              acts of a few.</div>
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                                  On Feb 28, 2014, at 2:07 PM,
                                  "Stephanie Perrin" &lt;<a
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                                  wrote:<br>
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                                  <div>My apologies I totally mis-read
                                    that. So how does verification catch
                                    that then?<br>
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                                      <div>On 2014-02-28, at 1:52 PM,
                                        John Horton wrote:</div>
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                                            because absent an accurate
                                            Whois record, it can be
                                            difficult to know who to
                                            hold accountable.</div>
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                                            style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763">Stephanie,
                                            to clarify: I was saying
                                            that 95% of Whois data in a
                                            certain sub-category of
                                            criminal or miscreant
                                            behavior (spam, malware,
                                            phishing) is
                                            <u>inaccurate</u>&nbsp;(not
                                            "accurate").&nbsp;</div>
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                                            <div class="gmail_quote">On
                                              Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:44
                                              AM, Stephanie Perrin <span
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                                                &lt;<a
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                                              wrote:<br>
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                                                  style="word-wrap:break-word">I
                                                  agree, it is all about
                                                  risk...but what risk
                                                  are we really talking
                                                  about? &nbsp; I dont
                                                  understand why a P/P
                                                  provider should be
                                                  forced to take on more
                                                  risk than other
                                                  registrars.
                                                  &nbsp;Further,why should
                                                  the registrar be
                                                  accountable for
                                                  verified data, once
                                                  the original data
                                                  verification is done.
                                                  &nbsp;If John is correct
                                                  and in 95% of cases
                                                  the data from the P/P
                                                  service provider was
                                                  proven accurate, then
                                                  how does any amount of
                                                  data verification
                                                  solve the problem?
                                                  &nbsp;The accountability
                                                  for miscreant
                                                  behaviour of all kinds
                                                  rests with the domain
                                                  name user. &nbsp;IF the
                                                  data is inaccurate,
                                                  ramp up the penalties
                                                  if it can be shown
                                                  that the data was
                                                  rendered inaccurate
                                                  for the purposes of
                                                  fraudulent activity. &nbsp;
                                                  <div>At the risk of
                                                    sounding overly
                                                    philosophical, It
                                                    seems to me that the
                                                    Internet ecosystem
                                                    is somehow being
                                                    held to account for
                                                    the actions of
                                                    individuals. &nbsp;It is
                                                    the individuals that
                                                    should be held to
                                                    account. &nbsp;Not the
                                                    domain name, or the
                                                    company that issued
                                                    it. Particularly, I
                                                    think that if
                                                    products sold are
                                                    tainted, then there
                                                    is plenty of other
                                                    consumer protection
                                                    law that
                                                    applies...why are we
                                                    trying to solve that
                                                    problem? &nbsp;</div>
                                                  <div>Cheers Stephanie
                                                    perrin
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                                                      <div><br>
                                                        <div>
                                                          <div>On
                                                          2014-02-28, at
                                                          12:29 PM,
                                                          Carlton
                                                          Samuels wrote:</div>
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                                                          seems to me
                                                          all about risk
                                                          management on
                                                          part of the
                                                          provider. &nbsp;Its
                                                          the results
                                                          that matter.</div>
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                                                          <div
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                                                          sans
                                                          ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">So,
                                                          for all the
                                                          possible
                                                          permutations,
                                                          in line with
                                                          those
                                                          enumerated by
                                                          Volker, might
                                                          it not be more
                                                          useful to
                                                          refer
                                                          'verified
                                                          credentials'
                                                          as a
                                                          requirement on
                                                          the provider,
                                                          allow them to
                                                          accept the
                                                          business risk
                                                          and leave it
                                                          to them to
                                                          decide how to
                                                          do
                                                          it.......and,
                                                          inherently,
                                                          the risks
                                                          acceptable to
                                                          them for
                                                          provisioning
                                                          the service?</div>
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==============================<br>
                                                          Carlton A
                                                          Samuels<br>
                                                          Mobile: <a
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href="tel:876-818-1799" value="+18768181799" target="_blank">876-818-1799</a><br>
                                                          <i><font
                                                          color="#33CC00">Strategy,
                                                          Planning,
                                                          Governance,
                                                          Assessment
                                                          &amp;
                                                          Turnaround</font></i><br>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Fri, Feb 28,
                                                          2014 at 6:29
                                                          AM, Volker
                                                          Greimann <span
                                                          dir="ltr">
                                                          &lt;<a
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href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;</span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
                                                          <blockquote
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bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Hi John, <br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          I am having a
                                                          bit of a hard
                                                          time
                                                          understanding
                                                          your point
                                                          here.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          You are
                                                          describing
                                                          three
                                                          different
                                                          cases here,
                                                          two of which
                                                          will not
                                                          benefit from
                                                          verification
                                                          in the least
                                                          bit and one
                                                          might, but
                                                          only in some
                                                          cases:<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          a) The data is
                                                          accurate, but
                                                          stolen: Here
                                                          verification
                                                          would not
                                                          uncover any
                                                          issues with
                                                          the data as it
                                                          is essentially
                                                          correct and
                                                          will most
                                                          likely&nbsp; be
                                                          identified as
                                                          accurate.<br>
                                                          b) The data is
                                                          false: Here,
                                                          depending on
                                                          the methods
                                                          used, the
                                                          inaccuracy may
                                                          be uncovered
                                                          and would lead
                                                          to an
                                                          automated
                                                          request to
                                                          provide
                                                          updated data
                                                          or
                                                          deactivation
                                                          after a set
                                                          time.
                                                          Remember, in
                                                          order to keep
                                                          providing
                                                          services in a
                                                          sensible
                                                          manner, this
                                                          needs to be
                                                          automated in
                                                          some form,
                                                          i.e. no
                                                          individual
                                                          record would
                                                          likely see any
                                                          manual review.<br>
                                                          c) The data is
                                                          already
                                                          accurate: If
                                                          the data is
                                                          already
                                                          correct, what
                                                          purpose does
                                                          verification
                                                          fulfill?&nbsp; The
                                                          data cannot
                                                          become more
                                                          accurate.
                                                          Verification
                                                          in this case
                                                          seems like an
                                                          exercise in
                                                          self-gratification.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          That said,
                                                          even if there
                                                          is a benefit
                                                          to be derived
                                                          from
                                                          verification,
                                                          such benefits
                                                          are achieved
                                                          once
                                                          verification
                                                          concludes.
                                                          Re-verification
                                                          of already
                                                          verified data
                                                          fulfills no
                                                          purpose
                                                          whatsoever. So
                                                          if a set of
                                                          data has
                                                          already been
                                                          verified by
                                                          the registrar,
                                                          there is no
                                                          need for the
                                                          p/p provider
                                                          to again
                                                          verify the
                                                          same data.
                                                          Only if no
                                                          verification
                                                          is or can be
                                                          performed on
                                                          the registrar
                                                          level does
                                                          verification
                                                          by providers
                                                          come into
                                                          play.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          Volker<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div>Am
                                                          28.02.2014
                                                          00:32, schrieb
                                                          John Horton:<br>
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color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks, Marika. I
                                                          also wanted to
                                                          provide a
                                                          comment
                                                          pertaining to
                                                          Question 2 in
                                                          the
                                                          attachments
                                                          (relating to
                                                          periodic
                                                          checks).</font></div>
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color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
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                                                          <div
                                                          style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><span
style="color:rgb(7,55,99);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In a
                                                          few of the
                                                          recent
                                                          discussions,
                                                          there's been
                                                          some reference
                                                          to criminals
                                                          always or
                                                          nearly always
                                                          being
                                                          untruthful in
                                                          their Whois
                                                          records (even
                                                          if
                                                          privacy-protected),
                                                          leading to the
                                                          conclusion
                                                          that there is
                                                          little purpose
                                                          in having a
                                                          registrar or
                                                          any third
                                                          party have to
                                                          verify or
                                                          re-verify the
                                                          information
                                                          (especially if
                                                          it is
                                                          difficult to
                                                          prove that the
                                                          data is
                                                          falsified). I
                                                          wanted to
                                                          share our
                                                          experience and
                                                          observations
                                                          on that point,
                                                          in the hope
                                                          that it's
                                                          relevant to
                                                          future
                                                          discussion
                                                          regarding
                                                          Question 2.</span><br>
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color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
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                                                          <div
                                                          style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font
color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Our consistent
                                                          observation
                                                          has been that
                                                          when it comes
                                                          to a
                                                          particular
                                                          sub-category
                                                          of criminal
                                                          activity,
                                                          spam,
                                                          phishing,
                                                          malware, and
                                                          so forth, it's
                                                          probably safe
                                                          to say that
                                                          that statement
                                                          is true -- the
                                                          registrant's
                                                          Whois
                                                          information is
                                                          nearly always
                                                          inaccurate.
                                                          Even in cases,
                                                          such as some
                                                          where we've
                                                          worked with
                                                          law
                                                          enforcement,
                                                          when the Whois
                                                          record for a
                                                          domain name
                                                          involved in
                                                          spam, phishing
                                                          or malware is
                                                          privacy-protected
                                                          and is
                                                          subsequently
                                                          unmasked, the
                                                          Whois record
                                                          is still not
                                                          accurate
                                                          behind the
                                                          privacy
                                                          curtain. There
                                                          are probably
                                                          exceptions,
                                                          but that's
                                                          what we've
                                                          seen well over
                                                          95% of the
                                                          time. On
                                                          occasion, it's
                                                          a real address
                                                          and phone
                                                          number, just
                                                          not one
                                                          genuinely
                                                          connected to
                                                          the
                                                          registrant.&nbsp;</font></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font
color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </font></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font
color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">But there are other
                                                          types of
                                                          criminal
                                                          activity where
                                                          the Whois
                                                          record is not
                                                          so regularly
                                                          obfuscated.
                                                          For example,
                                                          we investigate
                                                          a lot of
                                                          websites
                                                          selling
                                                          tainted
                                                          dietary
                                                          supplements
                                                          that end up
                                                          containing
                                                          some toxin or
                                                          adulterant
                                                          that harms
                                                          people. In
                                                          those cases,
                                                          we've
                                                          overwhelmingly
                                                          seen that even
                                                          if the Whois
                                                          record is
                                                          privacy-protected,
                                                          the trend is
                                                          that the
                                                          underlying
                                                          Whois record
                                                          is accurate.
                                                          The same has
                                                          been true for
                                                          illegal or
                                                          counterfeit
                                                          medical device
                                                          websites that
                                                          we've
                                                          researched. On
                                                          illegal
                                                          Internet
                                                          pharmacies not
                                                          engaged in
                                                          spam, it's
                                                          probably
                                                          50-50. (It
                                                          might be a
                                                          shell
                                                          corporation,
                                                          but that's
                                                          still valuable
                                                          information.)</font></div>
                                                          <div
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color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </font></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font
color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">One important point
                                                          to consider is
                                                          that the Whois
                                                          registration
                                                          can be
                                                          relevant
                                                          information
                                                          from a banking
                                                          perspective
                                                          for commercial
                                                          entities. That
                                                          is, some banks
                                                          are going to
                                                          look at an
                                                          online
                                                          merchant's
                                                          domain name
                                                          registration
                                                          record and if
                                                          it's either
                                                          inaccurate or
                                                          protected,
                                                          they may
                                                          require
                                                          disclosure, or
                                                          ask about any
                                                          discrepancy,
                                                          which can be
                                                          an incentive
                                                          for criminals
                                                          selling
                                                          products
                                                          online who
                                                          nevertheless
                                                          want to get
                                                          paid via
                                                          credit card to
                                                          have an
                                                          accurate
                                                          Whois.
                                                          Hackers,
                                                          malware
                                                          providers and
                                                          spammers will
                                                          find a way
                                                          around that,
                                                          but they don't
                                                          necessarily
                                                          constitute
                                                          "most"
                                                          criminal
                                                          activity.</font></div>
                                                          <div
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color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
                                                          </font></div>
                                                          <div
                                                          style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial"><font
color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">The point here is, I
                                                          think
                                                          verification
                                                          can still be a
                                                          useful and
                                                          necessary tool
                                                          in either
                                                          scenario, even
                                                          if it doesn't
                                                          uncover useful
                                                          information a
                                                          portion of the
                                                          time. I
                                                          realize that
                                                          only pertains
                                                          to a portion
                                                          of the issues
                                                          related to
                                                          Question 2,
                                                          but I hope
                                                          that our
                                                          observations
                                                          on that are
                                                          relevant.&nbsp;</font></div>
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                                                          <div
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color="#073763" face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Thanks,&nbsp;</font></div>
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                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Wed, Feb 26,
                                                          2014 at 2:39
                                                          AM, Marika
                                                          Konings <span
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                                                          <div>Dear All,</div>
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                                                          <div>Following
                                                          our call
                                                          yesterday,
                                                          please find
                                                          attached the
                                                          updated
                                                          templates for
                                                          Category B &#8211;
                                                          questions 1
                                                          &amp; 2.
                                                          Please review
                                                          these
                                                          templates to
                                                          make sure the
                                                          WG discussions
                                                          have been
                                                          accurately
                                                          reflected and
                                                          feel free to
                                                          share any
                                                          comments /
                                                          edits you may
                                                          have with the
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                                                          wiki where
                                                          we'll post the
                                                          templates that
                                                          have been
                                                          finalised for
                                                          now (noting
                                                          that for some
                                                          of these the
                                                          WG will need
                                                          to come back
                                                          to the
                                                          template at a
                                                          later date),
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                                                          <div>The WG
                                                          will continue
                                                          its
                                                          deliberations
                                                          on Category B
                                                          &#8211; Question 2
                                                          next week.
                                                          Some of the
                                                          questions that
                                                          came up during
                                                          the
                                                          conversation
                                                          yesterday and
                                                          which you are
                                                          encouraged to
                                                          share your
                                                          views on
                                                          (and/or add
                                                          additional
                                                          questions that
                                                          need to be
                                                          considered in
                                                          this context)
                                                          are:</div>
                                                          <ul>
                                                          <li>What would
                                                          be the
                                                          arguments for
                                                          not using the
                                                          same standards
                                                          / requirements
                                                          for validation
                                                          and
                                                          verification
                                                          as per the
                                                          2013 RAA?
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Should
                                                          there be a
                                                          requirement
                                                          for
                                                          re-verification,
                                                          and if so,
                                                          what instances
                                                          would trigger
                                                          such
                                                          re-verification?
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>In case of
                                                          affliction
                                                          between the
                                                          P/P service
                                                          and the
                                                          registrar, if
                                                          the
                                                          registration
                                                          information
                                                          has already
                                                          been verified
                                                          by the
                                                          registrar,
                                                          should this
                                                          exempt the P/P
                                                          provider from
                                                          doing so?
                                                          </li>
                                                          <li>Should the
                                                          same
                                                          requirements
                                                          apply to
                                                          privacy and
                                                          proxy services
                                                          or is there a
                                                          reason to
                                                          distinguish
                                                          between the
                                                          two?
                                                          </li>
                                                          </ul>
                                                          <div>Best
                                                          regards,</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Marika</div>
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