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Hi Steven,<br>
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if we can limit that obligation to those cases where no validation
of the underlying data has been performed by the registrar of
record, we might be getting somewhere. An independent obligation
that duplicates work already done will help no one and confuse many.<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 03.03.2014 19:51, schrieb Metalitz,
Steven:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks
Volker. It is precisely because</span> “<span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">the
registrars obligation only extends to the registrant of
record, not to anyone who may use the domain name with
permission of that registrant,” that there should be an
independent obligation on the part of the p/p service
provider to validate its customer’s contact information.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steve.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Volker Greimann [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 03, 2014 5:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Metalitz, Steven; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review -
updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Steven,<span
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Even
when this assertion is relevant, it may not be persuasive,
for a number of reasons. For example, the Whois data
reminder obligation applies to the registrant of record.
In the case of a proxy service, the registrant or record
is the service, not its customer. If a Whois data
reminder is sent to a non-proxy registrant and bounces
back, then the RAA requires the registrar to re-verify.
But a data reminder sent to a proxy service will almost
never bounce back, and therefore there may be no RAA
obligation to re-verify. This is so even if the customer
data provided to the service is inaccurate or outdated.
In this circumstance it is up to the p/p service
accreditation standards to specify the conditions under
which customer data must be re-verified.
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This depends on how the service is set up. One could suggest
that if such required messages from the registrar do not reach
the registrant, it could become the providers' obligation to
perform the information requirements on its own. The registrar
could then rely on the provider to perform its duties under
the accreditation agreement with ICANN just at it performs its
own obligations under the RAA.<br>
<br>
Please also remember that the registrars obligation only
extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may use
the domain name with permission of that registrant.<br>
<br>
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