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Hi Holly, <br>
<br>
"people should not have access to domain names without someone
verifying their details"? Really?<br>
<br>
So you are saying that over 100 million domain names should not have
been registered to their registrants? The status quo for 99.99% of
all registrations to date is non-verification and that has worked
just fine for now. Sure, there is abuse but so far I have seen no
studies that show that increased verification or validation leads to
less abuse.<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.03.2014 05:47, schrieb Holly
Raiche:<br>
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cite="mid:1173E81B-8CF8-4F9F-BAE4-854352982A13@internode.on.net"
type="cite"><base href="x-msg://477/">I have to agree with Steve
on this. People should not have access to a domain name without
someone verifying their details - regardless of whether those
details are made public or not.
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<div>Holly<br>
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<div>On 04/03/2014, at 5:51 AM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:</div>
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serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size: 11pt;
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73, 125); ">Thanks Volker. It is precisely
because</span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>“<span
style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri,
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">the
registrars obligation only extends to the
registrant of record, not to anyone who may use
the domain name with permission of that
registrant,” that there should be an independent
obligation on the part of the p/p service provider
to validate its customer’s contact information.<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
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73, 125); ">Steve.<br>
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class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Volker
Greimann [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]<span
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<b>Sent:</b><span
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March 03, 2014 5:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Metalitz,
Steven;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a
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<b>Subject:</b><span
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated
templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
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<div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
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font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman',
serif; color: black; ">Hi Steven,<span
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<div style="margin-top: 0in; margin-right: 0in;
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serif; color: black; "><span style="font-size:
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color:
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Even when this assertion is
relevant, it may not be persuasive, for a number
of reasons. For example, the Whois data
reminder obligation applies to the registrant of
record. In the case of a proxy service, the
registrant or record is the service, not its
customer. If a Whois data reminder is sent to a
non-proxy registrant and bounces back, then the
RAA requires the registrar to re-verify. But a
data reminder sent to a proxy service will
almost never bounce back, and therefore there
may be no RAA obligation to re-verify. This is
so even if the customer data provided to the
service is inaccurate or outdated. In this
circumstance it is up to the p/p service
accreditation standards to specify the
conditions under which customer data must be
re-verified.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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This depends on how the service is set up. One could
suggest that if such required messages from the
registrar do not reach the registrant, it could
become the providers' obligation to perform the
information requirements on its own. The registrar
could then rely on the provider to perform its
duties under the accreditation agreement with ICANN
just at it performs its own obligations under the
RAA.<br>
<br>
Please also remember that the registrars obligation
only extends to the registrant of record, not to
anyone who may use the domain name with permission
of that registrant.<br>
<br>
V.<o:p></o:p></div>
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