<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">...when I say 'verified' I mean the result, not process. But then again my argument has always been 'avoid going into the weeds here'. </div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">Could not agree more with using definitions already established, like, for example, in the RAA 2013. That's all good for the guy who's already party to the RAA....except in the case of p/p service provisioning we would be remiss in making that assumption. The caution must be to write rules that are standalone, even if referent on RAA 2013.</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:comic sans ms,sans-serif;font-size:large">-Carlton</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Volker Greimann <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Actually, the objective is validate some data points and verify one
of two others. These terms have been defined in the RAA and to avoid
confusion we should adopt those here. It makes no sense to re-define
either term here, resulting in different definition across policies
and agreements. Consistency should be an aim here as well...<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
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<div>Am 04.03.2014 19:37, schrieb Carlton
Samuels:<br>
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<div class="gmail_default">..the objective is 'verified'
contact datum/data. Make the rule for the general case; we
need not be prescriptive here. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">We know the RAA 2013
requirements.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default">So in instant case, I'd define
'verified'. Then I'd avoid all of that predetermination - that
'messiness' for determining whether the p/p provider is
registrar or not you'd import into this interface and, what
should apply in each case - simply by making the requirement
one for 'verified' contact data. </div>
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<div class="gmail_default">-Carlton</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:18 AM, Luc
SEUFER <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lseufer@dclgroup.eu" target="_blank">lseufer@dclgroup.eu</a>></span>
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So the reasonable option would be to only compel the p/p
provider to verify those details in cases this party has not
already verified them in its capacity as registrar?<br>
<br>
Whereas we don’t have a re-verification but two separate
ones that can be merged to avoid redundancy.<br>
<br>
Any opposition to that?<br>
<br>
Luc<br>
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On Mar 4, 2014, at 5:47, Holly Raiche <<a href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net" target="_blank">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net" target="_blank">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
I have to agree with Steve on this. People should not
have access to a domain name without someone verifying
their details - regardless of whether those details are
made public or not.<br>
<br>
Holly<br>
On 04/03/2014, at 5:51 AM, Metalitz, Steven wrote:<br>
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Thanks Volker. It is precisely because “the registrars
obligation only extends to the registrant of record, not
to anyone who may use the domain name with permission of
that registrant,” that there should be an independent
obligation on the part of the p/p service provider to
validate its customer’s contact information.<br>
<br>
Steve.<br>
<br>
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From: Volker Greimann [mailto:<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]<br>
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To: Metalitz, Steven; <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<div>Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review -
updated templates Cat B, questions 1 and 2<br>
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Hi Steven,<br>
<br>
Even when this assertion is relevant, it may not be
persuasive, for a number of reasons. For example, the
Whois data reminder obligation applies to the registrant
of record. In the case of a proxy service, the registrant
or record is the service, not its customer. If a Whois
data reminder is sent to a non-proxy registrant and
bounces back, then the RAA requires the registrar to
re-verify. But a data reminder sent to a proxy service
will almost never bounce back, and therefore there may be
no RAA obligation to re-verify. This is so even if the
customer data provided to the service is inaccurate or
outdated. In this circumstance it is up to the p/p
service accreditation standards to specify the conditions
under which customer data must be re-verified.<br>
<br>
This depends on how the service is set up. One could
suggest that if such required messages from the registrar
do not reach the registrant, it could become the
providers' obligation to perform the information
requirements on its own. The registrar could then rely on
the provider to perform its duties under the accreditation
agreement with ICANN just at it performs its own
obligations under the RAA.<br>
<br>
Please also remember that the registrars obligation only
extends to the registrant of record, not to anyone who may
use the domain name with permission of that registrant.<br>
<br>
V.<br>
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