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    Actually that is true. Free email address service providers being

    more regulated would solve many problems.<br>

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    Volker<br>

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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.03.2014 15:19, schrieb James M.

      Bladel:<br>

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      <div>If the objective of identity verification is to crack down on

        online abuse, then the harms involving email addresses (gmail,

        yahoo, etc.) would significantly outweigh those caused by domain

        names.  But our industry appears to be an easier target, I

        suppose.</div>

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      <div>J.</div>

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          <span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Volker Greimann

          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"

            href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>&gt;<br>

          <span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, March 4,

          2014 at 3:29 <br>

          <span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Holly Raiche &lt;<a

            moz-do-not-send="true"

            href="mailto:h.raiche@internode.on.net">h.raiche@internode.on.net</a>&gt;,

          "Metalitz, Steven" &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"

            href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>&gt;<br>

          <span style="font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>"<a

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            href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"

          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"

            href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>&gt;<br>

          <span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:

          [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review - updated templates Cat B,

          questions 1 and 2<br>

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          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Hi Holly, <br>

            <br>

            "people should not have access to domain names without

            someone verifying their details"? Really?<br>

            <br>

            So you are saying that over 100 million domain names should

            not have been registered to their registrants? The status

            quo for 99.99% of all registrations to date is

            non-verification and that has worked just fine for now.

            Sure, there is abuse but so far I have seen no studies that

            show that increased verification or validation leads to less

            abuse.<br>

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            Volker<br>

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            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 04.03.2014 05:47, schrieb

              Holly Raiche:<br>

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              cite="mid:1173E81B-8CF8-4F9F-BAE4-854352982A13@internode.on.net"

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              <base href="x-msg://477/">I have to agree with Steve on

              this.  People should not have access to a domain name

              without someone verifying their details - regardless of

              whether those details are made public or not.

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              <div>Holly<br>

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                  <div>On 04/03/2014, at 5:51 AM, Metalitz, Steven

                    wrote:</div>

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                              125);">Thanks Volker.  It is precisely

                              because</span><span

                              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>“<span

                              style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:

                              Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,

                              125);">the registrars obligation only

                              extends to the registrant of record, not

                              to anyone who may use the domain name with

                              permission of that registrant,” that there

                              should be an independent obligation on the

                              part of the p/p service provider to

                              validate its customer’s contact

                              information.<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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                              <o:p></o:p></span></div>

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                                <b><span style="font-size: 10pt;

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                                  Greimann [<a moz-do-not-send="true"

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                                  <b>Sent:</b><span

                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday,

                                  March 03, 2014 5:32 AM<br>

                                  <b>To:</b><span

                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Metalitz,

                                  Steven;<span

                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a

                                    moz-do-not-send="true"

                                    href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"

                                    style="color: blue; text-decoration:

                                    underline; ">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>

                                  <b>Subject:</b><span

                                    class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re:

                                  [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For review -

                                  updated templates Cat B, questions 1

                                  and 2<o:p></o:p></span></div>

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                            Hi Steven,<span style="font-size: 11pt;

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                              <span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family:

                                Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73,

                                125);">Even when this assertion is

                                relevant, it may not be persuasive, for

                                a number of reasons.  For example, the

                                Whois data reminder obligation applies

                                to the registrant of record.  In the

                                case of a proxy service, the registrant

                                or record is the service, not its

                                customer.  If a Whois data reminder is

                                sent to a non-proxy registrant and

                                bounces back, then the RAA requires the

                                registrar to re-verify.  But a data

                                reminder sent to a proxy service will

                                almost never bounce back, and therefore

                                there may be no RAA obligation to

                                re-verify.   This is so even if the

                                customer data provided to the service is

                                inaccurate or outdated.   In this

                                circumstance it is up to the p/p service

                                accreditation standards to specify the

                                conditions under which customer data

                                must be re-verified.</span><o:p></o:p></div>

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                            This depends on how the service is set up.

                            One could suggest that if such required

                            messages from the registrar do not reach the

                            registrant, it could become the providers'

                            obligation to perform the information

                            requirements on its own. The registrar could

                            then rely on the provider to perform its

                            duties under the accreditation agreement

                            with ICANN just at it performs its own

                            obligations under the RAA.<br>

                            <br>

                            Please also remember that the registrars

                            obligation only extends to the registrant of

                            record, not to anyone who may use the domain

                            name with permission of that registrant.<br>

                            <br>

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