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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday 11 March 2014 <span style='color:black'>at 15:00 UTC at:<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140311-en.mp3">http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140311-en.mp3</a><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar%23mar"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#mar</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Luc Seufer - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Volker Greimann - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tim Ruiz – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Sarah Wyld </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>– RrSG<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>David Heasley - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>James Bladel - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Steve Metalitz - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kathy Kleiman – RySGgr<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Darcy Southwell - RrSG</span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Don Blumenthal - RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Libby Baney - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Phil Marano – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Bikoff – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Griffin Barnett - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Valeriya Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Marie-Laure Lemineur – NPOC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Jennifer Standiford – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Carlton Samuels – ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amr Elsadr – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Osvalod Novoa – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Don Moody -IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Todd Williams – IPC</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Apologies:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Michele Neylon – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Roy Balleste – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Holly Raiche – ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Susan Prosser – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kristina Rosette – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Stephanie Perrin- NCSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Joe Catapano - staff<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>ICANN staff:<o:p></o:p></span></u></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Mary Wong<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Margie Milam<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Amy Bivins<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Mike Zupke<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marika Konings <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Nathalie Peregrine</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>** Please let me know if your name has been left off the list **<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Mailing list 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class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> </span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kind regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Nathalie Peregrine<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span></u></b><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday 11 March 2014<span style='color:black'>:<o:p></o:p></span></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 11 March 2014<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Valeriya Sherman:Jim Bikoff and Griffin Barnett are also on the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Thanks , noted!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Osvaldo Novoa:Hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Marie-Laure Lemineur has joined the cal<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:For further details about the meeting in Singapore, please see <a href="http://singapore49.icann.org/en/schedule/thu-ppsa">http://singapore49.icann.org/en/schedule/thu-ppsa</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Ladies, Gentlemen<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Graeme Bunton is also on the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Libby Baney is on the audio bridge<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Tim Ruiz has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Jennifer Standiford ha sjust joined<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:What time?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:15;00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Carlton Samuels has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Good morning all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:For North America, it means we stay on the same time as this week. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:Turn on magnification of 1000%<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:And connect to a 60 inch TV<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Can someone please post the link to the file?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Kathy: <a href="https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47257522/Affiliated%20PP%20Providers%20T%26Cs%20-%2010%20March.xlsx?version=1&modificationDate=1394533630000&api=v2">https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/47257522/Affiliated%20PP%20Providers%20T%26Cs%20-%2010%20March.xlsx?version=1&modificationDate=1394533630000&api=v2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Tx Mary!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Amr Elsadr has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Alas, we can't see anything :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:But it looks like a good sheet to study - and tx for pulling together this data!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Valeriya Sherman:Does anybody know how many P/P providers are there currently? And how many of those are affiliated with registrars, in the sense of being subsidiaries?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Valeriya Sherman:Val;)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Do lawyers count?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:We don't have any comprehensive survey or means of objectively ascertaining the number out there.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Don Blumenthal:Tim - count for what? :)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Count as privacy services. A lot of them register names for clients in their or their firms name.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Note also that when we use the word "Affiliated" in the context of the 2013 RAA, it's a specifically defined term. That's not always the case in other contexts, when using "affiliated" without the capital A.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Yeah, missed the smiley face. :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Mary: What is the distinction?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@James, I believe that "Affiliated" in this instance refers to entities that have a controlling relationship one to the other. That's more specific and narrow than "affiliated" which can be far broader and does not have a specific legal or technical meaning.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Ok, thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:apologies, my internet connection failed. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:The Nominet input to the Whois Review Team was posted to the WG wiki, under the documents for 4 March.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:@Marie-Laure, I have heard ICANN is not willing to pay Comcast an extra fee for all the bandwidth we are using ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC::)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:We could require something similar passed through to the p/p provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:@Steve: For non-affiliated services, we send it to the registrant of record, i.e. the service provider<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Steve: In your scenario that verification is 2 layers down. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:sorry, there is another telco in the room, so I cannot talk :-(<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:But Volker, if you become aware that they are a privacy service (and not accredited) you'll have to take action against those names.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Volker, @Steve - that would be the case for proxy registrations (as defined by ICANN), true?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:@james: not currently<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:as there is no such program<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:I think it is burdensome. If the liability rests with the provider then verification is the responsibility of the provider.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> steve metalitz:apologies, I will have to drop off the call momentarily since another call time was changed due to daylight savings time <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:Once the program launches, the "hooks" are already in the RAA.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:I was referring to the current status<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:ok<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:the new accreditation would have to oblige non-affiliated providers to perform identical verfication and validation<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:if you need that for the underlying data<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Nathalie Peregrine:Todd Williams has joined the call<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:i think it's old<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Volker: Yes. And that is the case that should be considered. As I've said before make the requirement one for '[re]verified contact information' and be done. This applies regardless of the provenance of the service; Affiliated or non-Affiliated provider. No need to be more prescriptive as policy.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:Verification and validation by non-affiliated service providers doesn't seem unreasonable. I suppose some registrants may choose to have different email addresses associated with their registrar and P/P provider (for example). I'm still not sure why any of this may be grounds for reverification. That isn't a requirement in the 2013 RAA, is it?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:Implementation design and the details associated must remain with the implementation team<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:It is the registrar, not ICANN that sends the reminder, I believe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:@Kathy: We send out the data we have on file. So for our own privacy service, it is the underlying data, for unaffiliated services, it is the services data<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:@Marika fortunately!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings::-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:Our approach matches what Volker is saying<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:whether or not that is forwarded or not depends on how the service is set up<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Marika Konings:Would it be an option to require the P/P service to forward the Whois data reminder to the P/P customer and if that bounces, reverification is required?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Amr, what is the "this" you're referring to?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Amr Elsadr:I thought we were talking about the need for reverification of contact data in the whois. It seems we've moved on.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Darcy Southwell:I suggest that any re-verification requirement be consistent with the Whois Accuracy Program Specification. Otherwise, registrars who also provide privacy/proxy services will have two different standards for re-verification.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:That's an interesting point James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:Marika: I think that is not helpful, as we can only include data we have in our reminders<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Good point, James<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Carlton Samuels:@Volker: Precisely. This is why verification requirement rests with the p/p provider!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Darcy Southwell:@Marika – If this is requirement, are you suggesting that if a P/P service doesn't already collect and follow up on bounces that it would have to build that functionality to continue as a P/P service?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Do the customers have a way to check their data in a p/p service -- the ones I have seen do...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:Marika: I would not tie it to the registrar reminders, sinde some may be passed through automatically, while with other services it may not, depending how the provider handles the mail address in the contact deposited with the registrar<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:but I don't know across the board?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Silly question, but when the program will be established, how does a registrar know that a domain holder is using the services of a proxy service from a third party? (if the details are not Domain Proxy Inc. or something obvious)As registrar we will be bound to only allow registrants to use accredited p/p/ providers services, but what qualifies the service of an entity as a p/p/ service?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:Luc: Pragmatically. Positive knowledge only<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:so in other words, never.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Luc, that's an implementation detail ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:My take: They would be obliged to agree to verify and validate in their accreditation agreement with ICANN. Compliance and Noncompliance is a job for ICANN compliance then<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Okay so unless a Compliance rep. tells you that company XYZ is providing p/p services, you can't tell.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:@Volker, is it your assumption that the P/P accreditation will be based on a binding contract between ICANN and the P/P service (similar to registrar accreditation)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Bladel:But if a Registrar becomes aware that an unaccredited P/P is registering domains through them, then the registrar (per the RAA) should take action against htose names.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Libby Baney:@Don - before moving on, could we summarize the "closure" / concensus on where we landed on the prior issue? Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Another question will be what are registrars required to do if they discover registrations that are by non-accredited p/p service or is otherwise proxied?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@James, on the same wave length :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:but what's a non-accredited P/P? Any registrant without an ICANN P/P accreditation?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@James, or as I like to say, great minds think like I do.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Libby Baney:Yeah, thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Libby Baney:Just wanted to make sure I knew where we "were"<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Libby Baney::)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:of course, if we find out anyone operates any form of privacy services for third parties, such as lawyers, etc, we may be required to deactivate those domains if the firms are not accredited...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:That's my understanding too, Volker<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:Mary: In my book, that is what Accreditation means,, so yes!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:For example a law firm registering itself as registrant of a domain name they have recovered via UDRP for example, do they need to be accredited by ICANN to do so? Wouldn't we as registrar be in breach of the 2013 RAA by allowing such law firm to do so? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Mary Wong:Thanks, Volker - I thought so but thought also it would be useful to clarify. Possibly other WG memebrs share the same view but I'm not sure this is a question the WG has discussed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:I'm disconnected<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:I am certainly not assuming that each registrar becomes an accreditation body, accrediting privacy services. This has to be centralized and at the centre, there is ICANN<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:But yes, I thnk we need to look at the rights of registrants and these documents Marika mentioned<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@Luc & Volker, laws regarding client/attorney privalege may come into play?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Darcy Southwell:Luc's question is a good one - is the law firm acting as a P/P service or instead licenscing the domain to its clients?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:well, too bad, Tim ;-) Privacy service is privacy service<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:Darcy: if it looks like a duck...<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:I'll raise the points next meeting... <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@Luc, I don't disagree in theory, but we do need policy that's enforceable.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:the nature of the internal contractual relationship between the parties cannot matter<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Darcy Southwell:Duck, yes. But I suspect some law firms would disagree.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:either the registrant of record is the beneficial owner, or he is not. In the latter case, the registrant of record is providing some form of privacy or proxy service and has to undergo the accreditation program<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:@Tim, another conflict between ICANN policies and local laws: this time count me out!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Volker Greimann:with all the obligations that entails<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:@Luc, the proble of course if there is an exception is that most p/p services will ultimately set up to fall into that exception.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Kathy Kleiman:Tx All !<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Graeme Bunton:thanks all<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:thanks. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Bye bye<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Libby Baney:Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Tim Ruiz:Thanks Don and all!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Osvaldo Novoa:By and thank you<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Luc Seufer:Bye<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>