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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">John<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Why should non-response lead to any action at all? Assuming that *<b>if</b>* there is an initial “verification” that the user of
the service had verified / validated themselves.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Keep it to “failure” or something requiring attention and maybe we can reach agreement on something, but there’s no way that I’d
suspend any service like this based solely on the lack of response from a user.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Don’t forget – the vast majority of domain name registrants are not “experts”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Many of the registrars and hosting providers offer privacy / proxy with all domain name registrations – in some cases the option
is automatically added to the shopping cart when you register the domain name. So for many registrants they may like the service, but they’re probably not even fully conscious that it is an “add on”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I cannot see any upside to forcing extra levels of verification / validation on p/p users.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">What I can see, however, is an unreasonable burden being placed on innocent users of p/p services and their providers (the entire
chain)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Sorry I won’t get to argue with you about this today, but I’ll be on a plane somewhere between Dublin and Dubai
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Michele<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>John Horton<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 18, 2014 3:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Graeme Bunton<br>
<b>Cc:</b> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For your review - updated template Cat B - question 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">Question, with respect to the "suspension rates being catastrophic" concerns: if, for the sake of argument, we're talking about requiring additional verification for P/P beyond
what the 2013 RAA requires, a failure -- especially one based solely on non-response -- wouldn't necessarily lead to domain name suspension, would it? (Unless the failure reasonably indicates that the Whois data is actually false.) I assume that failure of
any supplemental verification required by a P/P service would result in merely terminating the P/P service itself, unless the failure actually indicates that the information is falsified. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">In other words:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">If the verification already required under the 2013 RAA fails, the Registrar may have to suspend the domain name anyway. </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">If any verification required for P/P providers <u>in addition to</u> the 2013 RAA requirements fails solely due to non-response, it doesn't seem to me that the remedy would have to be (or should be)
domain name suspension; rather, it would likely only be terminating the P/P service itself, revealing the domain name registration data but leaving the domain name active and pointing to content. </span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">However, if any verification required for P/P providers <u>in addition to</u> the 2013 RAA requirements fails as a result of the underlying information actually being falsified, then suspension may
be appropriate anyway, in addition to the P/P service being withdrawn. </span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">My apologies if I'm missing something there, but I'm not sure that it follows that there would have to be any domain name suspensions for failures to verify the
<u>supplemental</u> information not originally required to be verified by the 2013 RAA, as described in the Whois Accuracy Program Specification.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">John Horton<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Stephanie Perrin <<a href="mailto:stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca" target="_blank">stephanie.perrin@mail.utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with what James and Michele have said, and I view this as extremely discriminatory and therefore highly problematic from a competition policy perspective.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Graeme Bunton <<a href="mailto:gbunton@tucows.com" target="_blank">gbunton@tucows.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:13.5pt"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"LucidaGrande","serif"">Agreeing with what James and Michele have stated here. <br>
The suspension rates would be catastrophic, with no real gain over what the 2013 RAA ensures.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"LucidaGrande","serif"">On 3/17/2014 6:24 PM, James M. Bladel wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"LucidaGrande","serif"">Everyone, this part of Michele's post is key:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">If there’s a bounce or any other indication that the contact details are invalid then let the 2013 RAA standards apply – if any.</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"LucidaGrande","serif"">The 2013 RAA requires registrar to re-verify the contact information if the information is known to be invalid. A bounced or undeliverable reminder email certainly qualifies.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"LucidaGrande","serif"">But to take this further, and claim that non-response = invalid contact information is speculation and could have catastrophic implications. As Michele notes, registrars
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"LucidaGrande","serif"">Suspending upwards of 80% of domain names would be prohibitively disruptive and I've seen nothing in this thread/PDP to justify such a radical proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On Mar 17, 2014, at 15:13, "Michele Neylon - Blacknight" <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">michele@blacknight.com</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Just because somebody does not reply to an annual email does not mean anything and expecting registrars or proxy / privacy providers to do anything extra based
on a lack of response is completely unreasonable.</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But expecting registrars or privacy / proxy providers to do extra validation simply because a customer hasn’t responded to an annual whois data reminder simply
will not fly.</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We send out thousands of these reminders every year. Only a tiny percentage of our clients ever reply to them – and if their details haven’t changed why on
earth would they have to?</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Michele</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mr Michele Neylon</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Blacknight Solutions</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Hosting & Colocation, Domains</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.blacknight.co/" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http://www.blacknight.co/</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%C2%A0%209183072" target="_blank">+353 (0) 59 9183072</a></span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Locall: 1850 929 929</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090" target="_blank">+353 (0)59 9183090</a></span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%201%204811%20763" target="_blank">+353 (0) 1 4811 763</a></span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/mneylon" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">http://twitter.com/mneylon</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Blacknight Internet Solutions Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside Business Park,Sleaty</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland Company No.: 370845</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a> [<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Valeriya Sherman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 17, 2014 8:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Metalitz, Steven; 'Williams, Todd'; Marika Konings; <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For your review - updated template Cat B - question 2</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">I, Jim Bikoff, David Heasley, and Griffin Barnett agree with Todd's assessment: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">The validation/verification requirements should be consistent with the 2013 RAA requirements, but should go above and beyond those requirements to ensure the accuracy of contact information. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Similarly, the privacy/proxy customer's contact information should be verified upon initial registration of the domain name (either by the registrar or the Privacy/Proxy Service Provider) and
periodically thereafter by automated annual email re-verification notifications that require an affirmative response by the P/P customer. Absence of a response would trigger a follow-up, reminding the privacy/proxy customer to provide accurate and up-to-date
information. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif"">Valeriya Sherman<br>
Silverberg, Goldman & Bikoff, L.L.P.<br>
1101 30th Street, N.W.<br>
Suite 120<br>
Washington, D.C. 20007<br>
Tel <a href="tel:202.944.2330" target="_blank">202.944.2330</a><br>
Cell <a href="tel:303.589.7477" target="_blank">303.589.7477</a><br>
<a href="mailto:vsherman@law.gwu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">vsherman@sgbdc.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:purple">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> [<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</span></a>]
on behalf of Metalitz, Steven [<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:purple">met@msk.com</span></a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 17, 2014 6:13 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Williams, Todd'; Marika Konings; </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:purple">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For your review - updated template Cat B - question 2</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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cannot be verified. In the parallel situation involving non-proxy registrations, the RAA specification calls either for suspension of the registration, or “manual verification,” which is not defined. How should this apply in the p/p service scenario?</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Steve Metalitz </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Behalf Of </b>Williams, Todd<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 14, 2014 4:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marika Konings; </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:purple">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For your review - updated template Cat B - question 2</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks Marika. I missed part of the call on Tuesday where this may have been discussed, but I don’t see how the draft preliminary recommendation follows from
the attached Word document, insofar as it concludes that p/p customer data should be validated and verified in a manner consistent with the requirements outlined in the 2013 RAA. I thought the current posture was that the WG has basically agreed to the 2013
RAA requirements as a floor, but that there was not yet agreement on: 1) whether validation/verification requirements should go beyond the 2013 RAA; and 2) if so, how.</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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an open topic in our email threads (see attached). Just to reiterate from that thread, the basic argument on the “more” side (which I agree with) is that in order to partially offset the delay that will inevitably occur when accessing p/p data, the “more”
should consist of whatever reasonable validation/verification steps can be taken to increase the likelihood that the information ultimately obtained will be accurate enough to facilitate contact. I suppose that if we ultimately settle on a “reveal” procedure
that is essentially instantaneous in certain cases (once we get to discussing “reveal” procedures), that may mitigate this concern. But absent assurances on that point, I would think we need to address it.</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">On the second question: the attached appears to include multiple proposals as to what may or may not ultimately comprise the “more” (<i>e.g.</i>, email <u>and</u> phone
vs. or; periodic/annual re-verification vs. re-verification with information suggesting the contact information is incorrect; etc.). Have we debated the relative merits of those? Are some more likely to be effective than others? I have my thoughts, but
I’m curious to hear what everybody else thinks.</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks all.</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Todd. </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:04 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] For your review - updated template Cat B - question 2</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Following our call earlier this week, please find attached the updated template for Category B – question 2. To facilitate your review, I've posted below the draft preliminary
recommendation in which we've aimed to capture the conversation to date taking into account the language of the Whois Accuracy Specification Program of the 2013 RAA. If you are of the view that this does not accurately capture the WG's view to date and/or
have specific suggestions for changes / edits, please share those with the mailing list. Also, if there are any other issues that need to be addressed in relation to this question and/or the preliminary recommendation, please share those as well.</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Draft Preliminary Recommendation – Category B – question 2 (Should ICANN-accredited privacy/proxy service providers be required to conduct periodic checks to ensure accuracy of customer
contact information; and if so, how?)</span></b><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">The WG recommends that proxy and privacy customer data be validated and verified in a manner consistent with the requirements outlined in Whois Accuracy Specification Program of the 2013
RAA. The WG furthermore agrees that in the cases where validation and verification of the P/P customer data was carried out by the registrar, reverification by the P/P service of the same, identical, information should not be required. </span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Similar to ICANN’s Whois Data Reminder Policy (</span><span style="font-family:"Cambria","serif""><a href="http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/consensus-policies/wdrp" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:purple">http://www.icann.org/en/resources/registrars/consensus-policies/wdrp</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">),
the P/P provider should be required to inform the P/P customer annually of his/her requirement to provide accurate and up to date contact information to the P/P provider. If the P/P provider has any information suggesting that the P/P customer information
is incorrect (such as P/P service receiving a bounced email notification or non-delivery notification message in connection with compliance with data reminder notices or otherwise) for any P/P customer, the P/P provider must verify or re-verify, as applicable,
the email address(es). If, within fifteen (15) calendar days after receiving any such information, P/P service does not receive an affirmative response from the P/P customer providing the required verification, the P/P service shall verify the applicable contact
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