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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday 22 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC at:<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a 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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Luc Seufer - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tim Ruiz – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Steve Metalitz - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kathy Kleiman – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Darcy Southwell - RrSG</span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Libby Baney - BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Susan Prosser – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Justin Macy – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Bikoff – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David Heasley – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Michele Neylon – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Jennifer Standiford – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>James Bladel – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Volker Greimann – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Paul McGrady – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Tobias Sattler – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Phil Marano – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Christain Dawson – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Don Blumenthal – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Griffin Barnett – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Valeriya Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Amr Elsadr <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Maria Farrell – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Marie-Laure Lemineur – NPOC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Todd Williams – 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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoPlainText><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Adobe Connect chat transcript for </span></u></b><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday 22 April 2014:</span></u></b> <span style='color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Marika Konings:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting of 22 April 2014<span style='font-size:11.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Amr Elsadr:Yes. Hello.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:G'mornin all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Bladel:g'mornin' y'all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:Getting more coffee<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:but listening<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Alex Deacon:Good morning. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Tim Ruiz has joined audio<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Tim Ruiz:I am now also on adobe.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Jennifer standiford has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Jennifer Standiford:good morning<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Bladel:More of a notification at this point. :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Phil Marano has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Volker Greimann has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Volker Greimann:sorry for my lateness<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:we're not looking for perfect - just good, workable and hopefully as automated as easy as possible<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Volker Greimann:Tim: I'd put them in the "nice to have" category<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Darcy Southwell:One concern I have with this idea is that, if the transfer fails, we now have our privacy service information listed without any connection to a P/P customer that we have.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Tim Ruiz:@Volker, right.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Bladel:Agree with Tim. IF you suppor this, here are some uniform standards. But agree we shouldn't require feature sets.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Maria Farrell has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Volker Greimann:I would see it as a recommendation according to these lines: "To enable privacy protection during transfers, the gaining/losing registrar may...."<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Bladel:I think we should address Steve's first point: Is this a matter of policy or product development/innovation?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Paul McGrady:I would be happy to be in that offline subgroup if everyone decides we should have one<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Marie-Laure Lemineur has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Volker Greimann:that way we could implement policy excemptions to transfer policies, RAA requirements, etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:Apologies for the being late<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> steve metalitz:I am open to making this an accreditation requirement IF there is a practical way to do it. The purpose of the subgroup would be to answer whether it is practical. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> steve metalitz:"This" = enabling transfer without losing p/p protection. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:Agree with Steve!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Paul McGrady:Agree with Steve and Kathy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Amr Elsadr:Also agree with Steve.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Val Sherman:+1 @Steve<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Tim Ruiz:Could we not just say that all notices required via RAA or Policy by ICANN should be relayed?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Darcy Southwell:Agree with Steve, Kathy, and Tim.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:If the <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:Registrant has the AuthInfo code, does that help?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:Is there an AuthInfo code for the Redemption Grace Period?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:You can't transfer during redemption<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:+1 Tim - and tx you!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:Michele, tx for clarification.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:Understand<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Tim Ruiz:Conditions under which a p/p would terminate its service should be REQUIRED to be communicated to the beneficial user. But providing for non-diclosure of their data if transfering should only be suggested, or at most a best practice recommendation.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:Interesting, can we factor in Tim's information?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:In this case too, it seems there is no reason to disclose the underlying personal data of the Registrant<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:I'll shove my comment in the chat<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:Can you force me to do business with someone?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:We're a private company<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:We could say that we don't support a particular type of software <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:0h wait - we do that already :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Bladel:correct.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:+1 to Steve's suggestion for a subgroup on Transfers. I volunteer.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Tim Ruiz:No objection to "small" group looking at the transfer issues as a whole, but will it be small?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Bladel:I agree Michele. Then that takes "mandatory" privacy/proxy service transfers off the table.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Tim Ruiz:Don't we require registries to deal with all registrars except under certain specific situations.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:Thankfully KS is a reseller / wholesaler so they have experience<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:Tim - they have to abuse us all equally<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Tim Ruiz:Exactly. So should we not have to abuse all accredited p/p services equally.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Paul McGrady:Great call! Thanks everyone.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy K:Great, tx Don and All!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:We don't have to offer all TLDs <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Phil Marano:Thank you.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Marie-laure Lemineur -NPOC:thank you Don<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:Thanks everyone.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:But it's an interesting question .. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:*gone*<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Tobias Sattler:Bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoPlainText><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>