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I can't support the amended language for obvious reasons. The draft
proposed here is clearly drafted to favor one position. If we want
to get anywere, we need a more balanced approach. <br>
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How about this:<br>
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<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">As
noted above, the WG appears to unanimously agree that the mere
fact
of a domain being registered as a commercial entity, or
conducting
commercial activity in other spheres, should not prevent the
use of
p/p domain name registration services. </font></i>
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<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm"> </p>
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<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">A number of WG members, representing
their SO/AC/C, noted
that in the “offline world” businesses often are required to
register with the relevant authority as well as disclose
details
about their identity and location. </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">These members
suggested that domains used for commercial purposes should be
ineligible for privacy and proxy
registrations</font></i><i><font face="Calibri, serif">.
However, a number of other </font></i><i><font face="Calibri,
serif"><font face="Calibri, serif">WG members, also
representing their SO/AC/C, </font>noted that where similar
legal requirements already exist for the "online world", such
disclosure </font></i><i><font face="Calibri, serif">is </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">usually required to be contained under a
prominent link on the web site as in the </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">translation from the "offline world" to
the "online world" legislators usually focussed on the content
available under the domain name, not the domain name
registration itself. Further, these members argue that there
may be valid reasons why domain name registrants using their
domain names for commercial purposes may legitimately need the
availability of such services.<br>
</font></i></p>
<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">There is further divergence within the
WG between those members expressing the view
that it is both necessary and practical to distinguish </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif"> in the whois </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">between
domains used for a commercial purpose and those domains that
are not used for a noncommercial purpose, and those members that
expressed the view that it is neither practical nor necessary
to require p/p service providers to make that distinction. <br>
</font></i></p>
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Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.05.2014 16:55, schrieb Libby
Baney:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">All -- as evidenced on last week's call, there is
concern about the language in the draft conclusion for Cat C
threshold question. Per the request for specific edits, attached
are redlined edits to the template submitted for the group's
consideration by FWD Strategies Int'l, LegitScript, MarkMonitor
and DomainTools. We look forward to your comments and further
discussion if needed.
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Libby<br>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:42
AM, Marika Konings <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div
style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Following on from
Steve's emails, please find attached the updated
templates for C3 and D1, incorporating the notes
from the meeting (if I've missed anything,
please share your comments / edits with the
mailing list). To re-emphasise the action items
from the meeting:</div>
<ol>
<li><font color="#ff0000">Please provide your
input on the draft preliminary conclusion
for C threshold, C1 and C2 as circulated by
Don. Several of you suggested removing the
word 'overwhelming' from the draft. Are
there any other proposed edits?</font></li>
<li style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Please provide your
input on question C3, especially if you are of
the view that there should be differences in
the data fields displayed for commercial
entity and natural person P/P registrations.</li>
<li style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Please provide your
input on question D1, especially whether it
would be desirable to have a public registry
of P/P services contact information and a
requirement to respond to enquiries both from
P/P customers as well as those looking to
contact P/P customers. Input on what would
qualify as a 'response' and a possible
timeframe for responses are also encouraged. </li>
<li style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Kathy and James
will provide an update at the next meeting on
issues surrounding transfers between
registrars of P/P registrations and possible
questions the WG may want to address in this
context.</li>
</ol>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Best regards,</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Marika</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">
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style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>
<Metalitz>, Steven <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:met@msk.com" target="_blank">met@msk.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>
Tuesday 20 May 2014 18:06<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>
Marika Konings <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>
PPSAI WG -- questions for list <br>
</div>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
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lang="EN-US">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks
to all participants on today’s
call. Following up on requests
made on the call ----</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regarding
Don’s draft preliminary text
regarding questions C(threshold),
C 1 and C2, please circulate your
comments and (especially
welcomed!) proposed edits. Don’s
draft is re-attached here for
ready reference. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regarding
question C.3: If the following
applies to you, please respond on
the list:
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">IF you believe
that privacy/proxy services ought to
be open to commercial entities under
some circumstances, THEN should
there be a difference in the data
displayed for such registrations
(vs. what is displayed for p/p
registrations by natural persons)?
If the answer is YES, please specify
the differences. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For myself I will
say that my answer is NO, but I hope
that any YES people will step
forward on the list.
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve Metalitz,
vice chair </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
#b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in
0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika
Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19,
2014 3:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed
Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Dear
All,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Please
find below the proposed
agenda for tomorrow's PPSAI
WG Meeting.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Best
regards,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Marika</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Proposed
Agenda – PPSAI WG Meeting
– 20 May 2014</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Roll
Call / SOI</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Review
proposed preliminary
conclusion for threshold
question, C1 and C2 (as
circulated by Don)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Review
C3 – is additional
response/discussion needed
in light of item 2? (see
template attached)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black">
<span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Continue
deliberations on D1 (see
updated template attached)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Next
steps / confirm next
meeting</span></li>
</ol>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
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