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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Thanks Marika. The WG’s conclusion on this point seems sufficient. +1 on Kathy’s comment. I don’t think that chasing down the possibility of a specialize flag in the WHOIS field will be worth the time and effort.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org [mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 22, 2014 7:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kathy Kleiman; gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Per Kathy's email, I thought it might be helpful to remind you of the WG's Preliminary Conclusion for Question B-1: 'The WG agrees that domain name registrations involving privacy/proxy service
providers should be clearly labeled as such in Whois. The WG observes that there may be various ways to implement this recommendation in order to achieve this objective and suggests that the feasibility and effectiveness of these options is further explored
as part of the implementation process. As an example, it was suggested that P/P services could be required to provide the registration data in a uniform / standard format that would make it clear that the domain name registration involves a P/P service such
as entering in the field for registrant information ‘Service Name, on behalf of customer’ (in the case of a proxy service this could then include a number, customer #512, while in the case of a privacy service it would include the actual customer name). Following
submission of this information to the registrar, this information would then be displayed in Whois making it clearly identifiable as a domain name registration involving a P/P service'.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Marika<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Kathy Kleiman <<a href="mailto:kathy@kathykleiman.com">kathy@kathykleiman.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday 21 May 2014 17:19<br>
<b>To: </b>"<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I share the questions James is raising. All, I thought we already agreed that accredited p/p providers have to identify themselves in the "Registrant line" of the Whois
listing. So that it is obvious to someone reviewing the Whois record what they are seeking, and who to contact for the underlying customer information. In that case, do we still need a new flag?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Are we talking about a new kind of status? I think any flag would have to be in the data field itself. The P/P provider cannot create a new field for the “flag” or set
/clear flags in WHOIS. That’s the Registrar.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">For example, if there is some future equivalent to IANA ID numbers for P/P services, they should append this to their name in WHOIS. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, May 21, 2014 at 7:52 <br>
<b>To: </b>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>>, "<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Volker</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Would you have an issue with there being an extra "flag" to indicate that a domain was using a PP?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">M</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">--<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"><a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, May 21, 2014 10:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Agreed. <br>
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1) There is no compelling reason to exclude potentially legal use of privacy services.
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2) The service provided essentially remains the same, therefore no differentiation in the whois output is necessary.
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Volker<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 21.05.2014 00:06, schrieb Michele Neylon - Blacknight:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Personally I think two things:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">1 – P/P services should be open to anyone who wants to use them</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">2 – the display in whois should be the same no matter who or what has registered the domain</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">With respect to point 2, I don’t have any issue with there being a “flag” of some kind to indicate that a registration record is using an accredited P/P
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Michele</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Blacknight Solutions</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Metalitz, Steven<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, May 20, 2014 5:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Marika Konings'; <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions for list</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Thanks to all participants on today’s call. Following up on requests made on the call ----</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regarding Don’s draft preliminary text regarding questions C(threshold), C 1 and C2, please circulate your comments and (especially welcomed!) proposed edits.
Don’s draft is re-attached here for ready reference. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Regarding question C.3: If the following applies to you, please respond on the list:
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<p class="MsoNormal">For myself I will say that my answer is NO, but I hope that any YES people will step forward on the list.
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19, 2014 3:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Please find below the proposed agenda for tomorrow's PPSAI WG Meeting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Proposed Agenda – PPSAI WG Meeting – 20 May 2014</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Roll Call / SOI</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Review proposed preliminary conclusion for threshold question, C1 and C2 (as circulated by Don)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Review C3 – is additional response/discussion needed in light of item 2? (see template attached)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Continue deliberations on D1 (see updated template attached)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3">
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