<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:#073763">Thanks, Chris -- one point to correct or clarify (my fault for not being more clear in my email): in the second paragraph, I was trying to summarize what I understood to be other people's argument (that is, I was trying to summarize what I understood Volker, Michele, Stephanie and others to be positing), not making that argument myself. (I don't think that changes the point you were making, but thought I'd clarify regarding my second paragraph.)<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 12:44 PM, Chris Pelling <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:chris@netearth.net" target="_blank">chris@netearth.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div><font face="Helvetica, Arial,
sans-serif">HI Guys,<br>
<br>
With respect to your point in your first paragraph John re:
"website holds the info/whois uses PP", putting the full
information on a website can mean the information cannot be data
mined, certain techniques that stops automated tools from
grabbing it. Whereas in WHOIS it can be data mined via simple
parsing. I hope that helps ?<br>
<br>
I think it is up to the individual registrant if they wish to
place a PP service on the whois, either commercial or non
commercial. As long as there are certain procedures in place
that allows for LEA or court order to gain the proper whois
information from the PP provider this is proper and above board
- this still obviously needs to be debated and will no doubt be
discussed later in this WG at some point or another.<br>
<br>
I disagree with your point I think *correct me if wrong* you are
trying to make in the second paragraph, it is not for us to lay
down law - thats not in our remit, my point above makes perfect
sense, and more importantly stops data harvesters out there
should the commercial entity want too. I think this discussion
will continue mind you, but I for one would allow the
"registrant" to make the choice if they want to or not.<br>
<br>
I'll allow others to continue the other paragraphs you
mentioned.<br>
<br>
<br>
</font>
<pre cols="72">Kind regards,
Chris</pre>
On 23/05/14 18:18, John Horton wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">But
if one agrees that it's good policy for commercial-use
websites to put the contact information accurately and
transparently on the website, then why would it be bad policy
to require the same in the domain name's Whois record? :) What
would be the additional burden on a registrant to also provide
the same accurate and transparent (non-p/p) information in the
Whois record? (And, if they have to disclose the information
on their website, why would they need to use privacy/proxy in
the first place?) </div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br>
</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)">Allow
me to respond to a couple of policy arguments made in other
emails on this thread. First, I think that the point that some
people were trying to make -- please correct me if I'm
misstating this -- is that the average Internet user doesn't
know what "Whois" is; therefore, if we care about consumer
protection or corporate transparency, the better policy is to
require disclosure of that information in the content of the
website, as the EU appears to require. This makes the
information more readily and more easily available to Internet
users, where a good or service is being sold on or via the
website. Therefore (with direct relevance to our task),
requiring commercial use-registrations to not use p/p is
specious. Am I summarizing that portion of the argument
correctly?</div>
<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;color:rgb(7,55,99)"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(7,55,99)"><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">I'd ask the
group to consider two contrary points: the AOC and how
derivative use benefits consumer trust. First, the
Affirmation of Commitments explicitly references law
enforcement and consumer trust <u>with reference to Whois</u> in
Section 9.3.1: "</span><font face="courier new, monospace" size="1">ICANN additionally commits to enforcing its
existing policy relating to WHOIS...(which) requires that
ICANN implement measures to maintain timely, unrestricted
and public access to accurate and complete WHOIS
information...(and at various intervals)...ICANN will
organize a review of WHOIS policy and its implementation to
assess the extent to which WHOIS policy is effective and its
implementation meets the legitimate needs of law enforcement
and promotes consumer trust.</font><font face="arial,
helvetica, sans-serif">" The point I'm making here is that
there's already a recognition in ICANN policy that consumer
trust and legitimate law enforcement needs are relevant
objectives in setting Whois policy. </font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(7,55,99)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(7,55,99)"><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Second, in considering
consumer trust, it's important to consider direct use <u>and</u> derivative
use of Whois, and how both relate to consumer trust and law
enforcement. I think that Volker, Stephanie and others are
likely right that the average Internet user may not be
familiar with Whois, and may not use it <u>directly</u>.
(However, I would <b>strongly</b> argue that there are,
indeed, average Internet users who do know what Whois is and
occasionally look to see who has registered a domain name.)
However, there are ample <u>derivative</u> benefits to
consumer trust. Consider three examples:</font></div>
<div style="color:rgb(7,55,99)">
<ol>
<li><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The
widely-used Web-of-Trust reputational plugin (<a href="http://mywot.com" target="_blank">mywot.com</a>). The direct user of the
WOT plugin does not see the Whois data, but it is plain
to see in the WOT forums that many of the reputational
determinations are derived from information about
truthful/accurate, inaccurate or protected Whois.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Credit
card networks' and banks' risk assessments relating to
merchant fraud. The cardholder does not see Whois
records, but firms like ours help determine merchant
risk rely in part on Whois to make that determination
(e.g., also looking to see if the same Whois record is
connected with other fraudulent commercial activity);
the cardholder (consumer) is not directly accessing
Whois, but benefits derivatively. </span></li>
<li><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Monitoring
services for search advertising or e-commerce for fraud
or illegal activity. Here too, the customer does not
directly access the Whois record, but derivatively
benefits since Whois analysis is one component of
verifying seller identification. </span><br>
</li>
</ol>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">In
any case, I'm making two intertwined points in this email.
First, consumer trust is a recognized objective of Whois
policy; and second, in evaluating how consumer trust is
affected by Whois policy, we have to consider both direct
and derivative use. The argument that few people directly
use Whois, and therefore consumers aren't benefiting from
it anyway (and therefore it's fine to allow p/p for
commercial-use domain names), fails to account for the
derivate ways in which consumers are protected via
third-parties' use of Whois. </span><br>
</div>
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</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Cheers,</font></div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 2:40 AM,
Michele Neylon - Blacknight <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com" target="_blank">michele@blacknight.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Volker</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">It’s
a legal requirement under Irish law – it’s also
why you get all my contact details in every single
email I send including the company’s address and
registered number. The Irish legislation is worded
in such a way that it just makes sense to put it
all out there in every electronic communication
rather than risk falling foul of the law.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">We’re
also obliged to follow the EU legislation with
respect to cookies (not the edible variety
unfortunately) and the Irish DPA has pursued Irish
companies who were not complying.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As
for levels of consensus and how they are reached,
I’d tend to agree with your characterisation of
matters.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regards</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US"> Volker Greimann [mailto:<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 23, 2014 9:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Horton; Michele Neylon -
Blacknight<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></p>
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<div><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI
WG -- questions for list</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi
John,<br>
<br>
maybe I am too European, but I actually think
that putting your business details on your
website is the norm and good practice. In fact,
in the EEC, it is the law. When a service does
not do this, or not properly, that is a usually
a good sign that something is fishy. Usually a
better sign than anything whois details can tell
me. <br>
<br>
At least all over Europe, lawmakers have thought
long and hard about where to require this data
to be placed, and they have agreed that the
website is the best way to do it. I believe this
should serve as a signal for our deliberations
as well.<br>
<br>
I think the use of "<i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">where
similar legal requirements already exist"</span></i>
clearly makes the point that this is not the
case around the world (yet).
<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 22.05.2014 18:47,
schrieb John Horton:</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">I'd
agree with Kiran that if possible, it's
helpful to edit an existing document, so
that everyone can see the tracked
changes, including what's been removed.
I'd be particularly interested in
knowing what phrases seem inaccurate to
others, or (to cite Volker's concern)
drafted to favor one position. We
(genuinely) are trying to propose a
balanced statement that reflects the
divergent views in the group, and
welcome edits. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763"> </span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">Although
my sense was that Libby's version was
fair and balanced, I'd like to flag my
concern (with respect and appreciation
for the draft, Volker!) about this
sentence in Volker's version:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">However,
a number of other WG members, also
representing their SO/AC/C, noted
that where similar legal
requirements already exist for the
"online world", such disclosure is
usually required to be contained
under a prominent link on the web
site as in the translation from the
"offline world" to the "online
world" legislators usually focussed
on the content available under the
domain name, not the domain name
registration itself. </span></i><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#073763">
I understand that the paragraph includes
the phrase "where similar legal
requirements already exist" perhaps
makes the statement technically accurate
-- it's sort of a truism -- but it's
really not a common enough legal
requirement around the world that (in my
opinion) it has relevance for this
discussion or the WG's written answer. I
think it leads the reader to
(inaccurately) conclude that such
requirements generally exist, and
therefore any disclosure requirement in
the Whois record for commercial-use
entities would be duplicative. I don't
believe that the data exist to support
that conclusion. Reasonable minds can
disagree as to the answer to Question 1,
but I don't think we should imply that
"Yes" is simply duplicative of
already-existing legal requirements, as
I think that phrase is (unintentionally,
I'm sure) likely to favor the other
position. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, May 22, 2014 at
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Thanks for this
Volker</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">I would be supportive
of this language</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"><br>
Regards</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Michele</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">--<br>
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Blacknight Solutions<br>
Hosting & Colocation,
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Intl. <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%29%2059%C2%A0%209183072" target="_blank">+353 (0) 59
9183072</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Direct Dial: <a href="tel:%2B353%20%280%2959%209183090" target="_blank">
+353 (0)59 9183090</a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Twitter: <a href="http://twitter.com/mneylon" target="_blank">
http://twitter.com/mneylon</a><br>
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Ltd, Unit 12A,Barrowside
Business Park,Sleaty<br>
Road,Graiguecullen,Carlow,Ireland
Company No.: 370845</span></p>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="EN-US">
<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker
Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 22,
2014 4:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG
-- questions for list</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">I can't support
the amended language for
obvious reasons. The draft
proposed here is clearly
drafted to favor one position.
If we want to get anywere, we
need a more balanced approach.
<br>
<br>
How about this:<br>
<i><br>
1)<br>
<br>
c)</i></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">As noted above,
the WG appears to
unanimously agree that the
mere fact of a domain being
registered as a commercial
entity, or conducting
commercial activity in other
spheres, should not prevent
the use of p/p domain name
registration services. </span></i><span lang="EN-US">
</span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">A number of WG
members, representing their
SO/AC/C, noted that in the
“offline world” businesses
often are required to
register with the relevant
authority as well as
disclose details about their
identity and location. These
members suggested that
domains used for commercial
purposes should be
ineligible for privacy and
proxy registrations.
However, a number of other
WG members, also
representing their SO/AC/C,
noted that where similar
legal requirements already
exist for the "online
world", such disclosure is
usually required to be
contained under a prominent
link on the web site as in
the translation from the
"offline world" to the
"online world" legislators
usually focussed on the
content available under the
domain name, not the domain
name registration itself.
Further, these members argue
that there may be valid
reasons why domain name
registrants using their
domain names for commercial
purposes may legitimately
need the availability of
such services.</span></i><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><i><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">There is
further divergence within
the WG between those members
expressing the view that it
is both necessary and
practical to distinguish in
the whois between domains
used for a commercial
purpose and those domains
that are not used for a
noncommercial purpose, and
those members that expressed
the view that it is neither
practical nor necessary to
require p/p service
providers to make that
distinction.
</span></i><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
Volker</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Am 22.05.2014
16:55, schrieb Libby Baney:</span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">All -- as
evidenced on last week's
call, there is concern
about the language in the
draft conclusion for Cat C
threshold question. Per
the request for specific
edits, attached are
redlined edits to the
template submitted for the
group's consideration by
FWD Strategies Int'l,
LegitScript, MarkMonitor
and DomainTools. We look
forward to your comments
and further discussion if
needed.
</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Libby</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.FWDstrategies.com" target="_blank">www.FWDstrategies.com</a></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On
Wed, May 21,
2014 at 5:42 AM,
Marika Konings
<<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>
wrote:</span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Following
on from
Steve's
emails, please
find attached
the updated
templates for
C3 and D1,
incorporating
the notes from
the meeting
(if I've
missed
anything,
please share
your comments
/ edits with
the mailing
list). To
re-emphasise
the action
items from the
meeting:</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:red" lang="EN-US">Please
provide your
input on the
draft
preliminary
conclusion for
C threshold,
C1 and C2 as
circulated by
Don. Several
of you
suggested
removing the
word
'overwhelming'
from the
draft. Are
there any
other proposed
edits?</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Please
provide your
input on
question C3,
especially if
you are of the
view that
there should
be differences
in the data
fields
displayed for
commercial
entity and
natural person
P/P
registrations.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Please
provide your
input on
question D1,
especially
whether it
would be
desirable to
have a public
registry of
P/P services
contact
information
and a
requirement to
respond to
enquiries both
from P/P
customers as
well as those
looking to
contact P/P
customers.
Input on what
would qualify
as a
'response' and
a possible
timeframe for
responses are
also
encouraged. </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Kathy
and James will
provide an
update at the
next meeting
on issues
surrounding
transfers
between
registrars of
P/P
registrations
and possible
questions the
WG may want to
address in
this context.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
</ol>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Best
regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Marika</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"><Metalitz>,
Steven <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com" target="_blank">met@msk.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday
20 May 2014
18:06<br>
<b>To: </b>Marika
Konings <<a href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org" target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>,
"<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>PPSAI
WG --
questions for
list </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Thanks
to all
participants
on today’s
call.
Following up
on requests
made on the
call ----</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Regarding
Don’s draft
preliminary
text regarding
questions
C(threshold),
C 1 and C2,
please
circulate your
comments and
(especially
welcomed!)
proposed
edits. Don’s
draft is
re-attached
here for ready
reference.
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US">Regarding
question C.3:
If the
following
applies to
you, please
respond on the
list:
</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">IF
you believe
that
privacy/proxy
services ought
to be open to
commercial
entities under
some
circumstances,
THEN should
there be a
difference in
the data
displayed for
such
registrations
(vs. what is
displayed for
p/p
registrations
by natural
persons)? If
the answer is
YES, please
specify the
differences.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">For
myself I will
say that my
answer is NO,
but I hope
that any YES
people will
step forward
on the list.
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks!</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Steve
Metalitz, vice
chair
</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">
<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org" target="_blank">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf
Of </b>Marika
Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b>
Monday, May
19, 2014 3:39
PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg]
Proposed
Agenda - PPSAI
WG Meeting</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Dear
All,</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Please
find below the
proposed
agenda for
tomorrow's
PPSAI WG
Meeting.</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Best
regards,</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Marika</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US"> </span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Proposed
Agenda – PPSAI
WG Meeting –
20 May 2014</span></b><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Roll
Call / SOI</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Review
proposed
preliminary
conclusion for
threshold
question, C1
and C2 (as
circulated by
Don)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Review
C3 – is
additional
response/discussion
needed in
light of item
2? (see
template
attached)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Continue
deliberations
on D1 (see
updated
template
attached)</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal">
<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"" lang="EN-US">Next
steps /
confirm next
meeting</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></li>
</ol>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
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</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
<br clear="all">
</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">--
</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Libby
Baney, JD</span><span lang="EN-US">
</span></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">President</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">FWD
Strategies
International</span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.fwdstrategies.com" target="_blank">www.fwdstrategies.com</a></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">P:
<a href="tel:202-499-2296" target="_blank">202-499-2296</a></span><span lang="EN-US"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"><br>
<br>
</span></p>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">_______________________________________________</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg mailing list</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"><a href="mailto:Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org" target="_blank">Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a></span></pre>
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</blockquote>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US"> </span></p>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">-- </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Mit freundlichen Grüßen,</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Volker A. Greimann</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">- Rechtsabteilung -</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Key-Systems GmbH</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Im Oberen Werk 1</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">66386 St. Ingbert</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Tel.: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Fax.: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank">www.RRPproxy.net</a></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Folgen Sie uns bei Twitter oder werden Sie unser Fan bei Facebook:</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank">www.keydrive.lu</a> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US">Best regards,</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Volker A. Greimann</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">- legal department -</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Key-Systems GmbH</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Im Oberen Werk 1</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">66386 St. Ingbert</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Tel.: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Fax.: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Web: <a href="http://www.key-systems.net" target="_blank">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a href="http://www.RRPproxy.net" target="_blank">www.RRPproxy.net</a></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:</span></pre>
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<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">CEO: Alexander Siffrin</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"> </span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US">Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</span></pre>
<pre><span lang="EN-US"><a href="http://www.keydrive.lu" target="_blank">www.keydrive.lu</a> </span></pre>
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<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
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<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
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<pre>Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
<pre>Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
<pre>Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534</pre>
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<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
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<pre>Der Inhalt dieser Nachricht ist vertraulich und nur für den angegebenen Empfänger bestimmt. Jede Form der Kenntnisgabe, Veröffentlichung oder Weitergabe an Dritte durch den Empfänger ist unzulässig. Sollte diese Nachricht nicht für Sie bestimmt sein, so bitten wir Sie, sich mit uns per E-Mail oder telefonisch in Verbindung zu setzen.</pre>
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<pre>Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.</pre>
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<pre>Best regards,</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Volker A. Greimann</pre>
<pre>- legal department -</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Key-Systems GmbH</pre>
<pre>Im Oberen Werk 1</pre>
<pre>66386 St. Ingbert</pre>
<pre>Tel.: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20901" value="+4968949396901" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901</a></pre>
<pre>Fax.: <a href="tel:%2B49%20%280%29%206894%20-%209396%20851" value="+4968949396851" target="_blank">+49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851</a></pre>
<pre>Email: <a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net" target="_blank">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a></pre>
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<pre>Follow us on Twitter or join our fan community on Facebook and stay updated:</pre>
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<pre> </pre>
<pre>CEO: Alexander Siffrin</pre>
<pre>Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken </pre>
<pre>V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534</pre>
<pre> </pre>
<pre>Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP</pre>
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