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Hi Holly,<br>
<br>
I see a few issues with the ALAC osition, so I hope these can be
cleared up in discussion:
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<p><i>The ALAC strongly supports amending the Privacy Proxy
Specification such that:</i></p>
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<i>The </i><i>Privacy Proxy Specificationis an obligation that the
registrar has to uphold. We cannot be expected to police third
party providers. Yet amending the Spec to make it applicable to
all providers would do just that. If you mean that the terms of
the spec should also be applied in an accreditation program for
providers, that would be another matter.<br>
</i>
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<li><i>It is applicable to all Privacy and Proxy providers.</i></li>
<li><i>The personal details of the beneficial user are
verified in accordance with verification requirements in
the 2013 RAA. The process should ensure that, at least
when the information is collected, that the proposed
beneficial user is a real person/organisation and that the
contact details are those of the proposed beneficial user.</i></li>
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<i>...this lacks the definition of who needs</i> to do that
verification. <br>
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<li><i>Limits on access to the personal information of the
beneficial user must be clear and balance the legitimate
privacy requirements of the beneficial user as against the
legitimate needs of law enforcement agencies and UDRP
providers.</i></li>
</ul>
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<i>In other words, a clearly delineated reveal policy?<br>
<br>
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<div>We did not - and do not - have concerns about whether the
P/P beneficial user is a commercial entity or a person that
uses the service for some/all commercial purposes. Our
concerns are about accreditation of the P/P (who does it, who
checks, what penalties), the accuracy of the Whois data (when
and how) and limits on access that respect privacy obligations
- balanced against legitimate needs for access to that data.
There is a lot in that sentence that needs to be worked
through but that is the baseline. <br>
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Good to hear. Those concerns broadly seem similar to mine.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
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<div>On 23 May 2014, at 3:08 am, Metalitz, Steven <<a
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Kiran, I agree with your second sentence. I don't agree
with the first because (a) in fact WG participants are not
always representing the constituency or other group with
which they identify and (b) as others have pointed out,
there is only a very limited role for voting in WGs.<br>
<br>
But getting back to the text that you and others proposed:<br>
<br>
Could the proponents of the text identify the SG AC or C
which they are representing in disagreeing with the
position that use of p/p registrations for commercial
activities should not be prohibited in accreditation
standards?<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, May 22, 2014 08:06 AM Pacific
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<b>To: </b>Metalitz, Steven<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG --
questions for list<br>
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<p><font size="2">I believe we intended to make clear
that, as working group members, we do not vote as
individuals but rather as representatives of our
individual SO/AC/C. While a vote hasn't taken place
yet, it's important to remember that sheer volume of
vocal individuals isn't the point, regardless of where
you fall on the issue.<br>
<br>
K<br>
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Kiran Malancharuvil<br>
Internet Policy Counselor<br>
MarkMonitor<br>
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Sent from my mobile, please excuse any typos.<br>
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On May 22, 2014, at 8:01 AM, "Metalitz, Steven" <<a
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wrote:<br>
<br>
Thanks Libby, this is a helpful contribution.<br>
<br>
Could you clarify one point:<br>
<br>
“However, a number of WG members, representing their
SO/AC/C, disagreed….” Which SO/AC/C are you referring
to ?<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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From: Libby Baney [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2014 10:55 AM<br>
To: Marika Konings<br>
Cc: Metalitz, Steven; <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] PPSAI WG -- questions
for list<br>
<br>
All -- as evidenced on last week's call, there is
concern about the language in the draft conclusion for
Cat C threshold question. Per the request for specific
edits, attached are redlined edits to the template
submitted for the group's consideration by FWD
Strategies Int'l, LegitScript, MarkMonitor and
DomainTools. We look forward to your comments and
further discussion if needed.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Libby<br>
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On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Marika Konings <<a
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wrote:<br>
Following on from Steve's emails, please find attached
the updated templates for C3 and D1, incorporating the
notes from the meeting (if I've missed anything,
please share your comments / edits with the mailing
list). To re-emphasise the action items from the
meeting:<br>
<br>
1. Please provide your input on the draft
preliminary conclusion for C threshold, C1 and C2 as
circulated by Don. Several of you suggested removing
the word 'overwhelming' from the draft. Are there any
other proposed edits?<br>
2. Please provide your input on question C3,
especially if you are of the view that there should be
differences in the data fields displayed for
commercial entity and natural person P/P
registrations.<br>
3. Please provide your input on question D1,
especially whether it would be desirable to have a
public registry of P/P services contact information
and a requirement to respond to enquiries both from
P/P customers as well as those looking to contact P/P
customers. Input on what would qualify as a 'response'
and a possible timeframe for responses are also
encouraged.<br>
4. Kathy and James will provide an update at the
next meeting on issues surrounding transfers between
registrars of P/P registrations and possible questions
the WG may want to address in this context.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Marika<br>
<br>
From: <Metalitz>, Steven <<a
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Date: Tuesday 20 May 2014 18:06<br>
To: Marika Konings <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Subject: PPSAI WG -- questions for list<br>
<br>
Thanks to all participants on today’s call. Following
up on requests made on the call ----<br>
<br>
Regarding Don’s draft preliminary text regarding
questions C(threshold), C 1 and C2, please circulate
your comments and (especially welcomed!) proposed
edits. Don’s draft is re-attached here for ready
reference.<br>
<br>
Regarding question C.3: If the following applies to
you, please respond on the list:<br>
<br>
IF you believe that privacy/proxy services ought to be
open to commercial entities under some circumstances,
THEN should there be a difference in the data
displayed for such registrations (vs. what is
displayed for p/p registrations by natural persons)?
If the answer is YES, please specify the differences.<br>
<br>
For myself I will say that my answer is NO, but I hope
that any YES people will step forward on the list.<br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
<br>
Steve Metalitz, vice chair<br>
<br>
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Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed Agenda - PPSAI
WG Meeting<br>
<br>
Dear All,<br>
<br>
Please find below the proposed agenda for tomorrow's
PPSAI WG Meeting.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Marika<br>
<br>
Proposed Agenda – PPSAI WG Meeting – 20 May 2014<br>
<br>
1. Roll Call / SOI<br>
2. Review proposed preliminary conclusion for
threshold question, C1 and C2 (as circulated by Don)<br>
3. Review C3 – is additional response/discussion
needed in light of item 2? (see template attached)<br>
4. Continue deliberations on D1 (see updated
template attached)<br>
5. Next steps / confirm next meeting<br>
<br>
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