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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sorry to be coming onto this discussion
late, and I am still catching up on emails. But I support Volker's
detailed discussion of the views of both sides below.<br>
Best,<br>
Kathy<br>
:<br>
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I can't support the amended language for obvious reasons. The
draft proposed here is clearly drafted to favor one position. If
we want to get anywere, we need a more balanced approach. <br>
<br>
How about this:<br>
<i><br>
1)<br>
<br>
c)<br>
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<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">As noted above, the WG appears to
unanimously agree that the mere fact of a domain being
registered as a commercial entity, or conducting commercial
activity in other spheres, should not prevent the use of p/p
domain name registration services. </font></i> </p>
<i> </i>
<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm"> </p>
<i> </i>
<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">A number of WG members, representing
their SO/AC/C, noted that in the “offline world” businesses
often are required to register with the relevant authority
as well as disclose details about their identity and
location. </font></i><i><font face="Calibri, serif">These
members suggested that domains used for commercial purposes
should be ineligible for privacy and proxy registrations</font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">. However, a number of other </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif"><font face="Calibri, serif">WG
members, also representing their SO/AC/C, </font>noted
that where similar legal requirements already exist for the
"online world", such disclosure </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">is </font></i><i><font face="Calibri,
serif">usually required to be contained under a prominent
link on the web site as in the </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">translation from the "offline world"
to the "online world" legislators usually focussed on the
content available under the domain name, not the domain name
registration itself. Further, these members argue that there
may be valid reasons why domain name registrants using their
domain names for commercial purposes may legitimately need
the availability of such services.<br>
</font></i></p>
<p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0cm"><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">There is further divergence within the
WG between those members expressing the view that it is both
necessary and practical to distinguish </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif"> in the whois </font></i><i><font
face="Calibri, serif">between domains used for a commercial
purpose and those domains that are not used for a
noncommercial purpose, and those members that expressed the
view that it is neither practical nor necessary to require
p/p service providers to make that distinction. <br>
</font></i></p>
<br>
Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 22.05.2014 16:55, schrieb Libby
Baney:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">All -- as evidenced on last week's call, there is
concern about the language in the draft conclusion for Cat C
threshold question. Per the request for specific edits,
attached are redlined edits to the template submitted for the
group's consideration by FWD Strategies Int'l, LegitScript,
MarkMonitor and DomainTools. We look forward to your comments
and further discussion if needed.
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<div>Thanks,</div>
<div>Libby<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 5:42
AM, Marika Konings <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div
style="word-wrap:break-word;font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Following on from
Steve's emails, please find attached the
updated templates for C3 and D1, incorporating
the notes from the meeting (if I've missed
anything, please share your comments / edits
with the mailing list). To re-emphasise the
action items from the meeting:</div>
<ol>
<li><font color="#ff0000">Please provide your
input on the draft preliminary conclusion
for C threshold, C1 and C2 as circulated
by Don. Several of you suggested removing
the word 'overwhelming' from the draft.
Are there any other proposed edits?</font></li>
<li style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Please provide
your input on question C3, especially if you
are of the view that there should be
differences in the data fields displayed for
commercial entity and natural person P/P
registrations.</li>
<li style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Please provide
your input on question D1, especially
whether it would be desirable to have a
public registry of P/P services contact
information and a requirement to respond to
enquiries both from P/P customers as well as
those looking to contact P/P customers.
Input on what would qualify as a 'response'
and a possible timeframe for responses are
also encouraged. </li>
<li style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Kathy and James
will provide an update at the next meeting
on issues surrounding transfers between
registrars of P/P registrations and possible
questions the WG may want to address in this
context.</li>
</ol>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
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<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Best regards,</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">Marika</div>
<div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br>
</div>
<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<div
style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium
none;BORDER-LEFT:medium
none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df
1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium
none;PADDING-TOP:3pt"> <span
style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>
<Metalitz>, Steven <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:met@msk.com" target="_blank">met@msk.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>
Tuesday 20 May 2014 18:06<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>
Marika Konings <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marika.konings@icann.org"
target="_blank">marika.konings@icann.org</a>>,
"<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>
PPSAI WG -- questions for list <br>
</div>
<div>
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<div><br>
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lang="EN-US">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks
to all participants on today’s
call. Following up on requests
made on the call ----</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regarding
Don’s draft preliminary text
regarding questions
C(threshold), C 1 and C2, please
circulate your comments and
(especially welcomed!) proposed
edits. Don’s draft is
re-attached here for ready
reference. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Regarding
question C.3: If the following
applies to you, please respond
on the list: </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">IF you believe
that privacy/proxy services ought
to be open to commercial entities
under some circumstances, THEN
should there be a difference in
the data displayed for such
registrations (vs. what is
displayed for p/p registrations by
natural persons)? If the answer
is YES, please specify the
differences. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">For myself I
will say that my answer is NO, but
I hope that any YES people will
step forward on the list. </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Steve Metalitz,
vice chair </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> </span></p>
<div>
<div
style="border:none;border-top:solid
#b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in
0in 0in">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Tahoma,sans-serif"> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org"
target="_blank">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marika
Konings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 19,
2014 3:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org"
target="_blank">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b>
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposed
Agenda - PPSAI WG Meeting</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> </p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Dear
All,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Please
find below the proposed
agenda for tomorrow's
PPSAI WG Meeting.</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Best
regards,</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Marika</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"> </span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Proposed
Agenda – PPSAI WG
Meeting – 20 May 2014</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:black"></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<ol start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Roll Call / SOI</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black"> <span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Review proposed
preliminary conclusion
for threshold question,
C1 and C2 (as circulated
by Don)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black"> <span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Review C3 – is
additional
response/discussion
needed in light of item
2? (see template
attached)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black"> <span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Continue
deliberations on D1 (see
updated template
attached)</span></li>
<li class="MsoNormal"
style="color:black"><span
style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Next steps /
confirm next meeting</span></li>
</ol>
</div>
</div>
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