<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;">Thanks for this. Comments interspersed.<div><br></div><div>Holly<br><div><br><div><div>On 5 Jun 2014, at 8:13 am, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <<a href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com">michele@blacknight.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-IE" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: 18px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Mary<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; line-height: 18px; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-size: 11pt; line-height: 17px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">These are my initial reactions to the questions – and thanks for framing them, as they are helpful<o:p></o:p></span></p><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>1.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">Should accredited P/P providers provide a “dedicated” point of contact or is it enough that they maintain and make available a point of contact with a requirement to respond (response to be determined)?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Personally I think “dedicated” as defined in the context of the RAA is too much and that a responsive abuse contact should be able to address issues if / when they arise.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">If “abuse” of a domain is so serious that it needs to be addressed faster than that then I’d assume that it would warrant LEA intervention and they already have access to the registrar and the registrar could take the domain offline.</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>When the issue was raised back in 2009, what the LEAs were seeking was a point of contact that was available 24/7. I am not clear how the word ‘dedicated’ crept into this, but what was wanted, and I assume is still wanted, is a point of contact where the person (doesn’t necessarily have to be the same person) has both the technical ability and authority to respond 24/7 to serious issues. And from what I was hearing then, the experience of some LEAs was that, even with a warrant, they were not able to reach ANYONE that could respond urgently - thus the requirement.</div><div><br></div><div>Given that there is a 24/7 abuse point of contact that can take down a site - including in relation to sites using a P/P provider, the issue is then about responding to other, less urgent, issues. <br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-IE" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.25in; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>2.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">If “dedicated”, is what’s currently in Section 3.18 sufficient? If not, what should that be?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">n/a due to previous response<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;"><span>3.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">On the need to respond to a report, Is it enough for the guideline/requirement to be the “reasonable and prompt” standard in Section 3.18? If not, what should it be? Should there be a minimum time frame (if any) for a response (understanding that the response may not be an obligation to act on the report in all cases)? <o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">This probably merits further discussion. Personally I think “reasonable and prompt” should be ok</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>Given that we address the 24/7 requirement above, I’d agree - reasonable and prompt should do it. I think the discussion does need to cover in what circumstances you are thinking that the P/P provider would not report.<br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-IE" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><span>4.<span style="font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 7pt; line-height: normal; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">What happens if it turns out action needs to be taken, but it may be action more appropriate for the Registrar rather than the P/P provider to take?</span></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div>I’d assume your response below is the answer that should be followed<br><blockquote type="cite"><div lang="EN-IE" link="#0563C1" vlink="#954F72" style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;"><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt 0.5in; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif; text-indent: -0.25in;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"><o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;"> </span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Surely this could be communicated to the reporter?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; line-height: normal; font-size: 12pt; font-family: Cambria, serif;"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">We get notices sent to us that are not really within our scope to deal with and we don’t have any issue telling the reporter who they need to address them to, so I’d view this as being similar<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; 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