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Small correction: I meant business days. Not sure how my mind
drifted to hours...<br>
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Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 29.07.2014 15:45, schrieb Darcy
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<div>Regarding the relay time frame, I think Volker's two
business hour relay standard is doable assuming the P/P has an
automated forwarding system for email or web form submissions
to the registrant. I don't believe that's a reasonable time
frame if human intervention is required to make the relay
happen. To accommodate human involvement, I suggest a relay
standard of no less than one or maybe two business days.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Holly Raiche <<a
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, July 29,
2014 4:16 AM<br>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re:
[Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29 July<br>
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<div>First, I support Kathy’s proposed wording. In fact, I
think we should be dealing separately with the law
enforcement/warrant situations where a 24/7 contact point
is required and where there can be very prompt response to
a very real threat of some kind, and other material to be
relayed - which is where we are now.</div>
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<div>Clearly, yes, renewal notices and anything else
required under the RAA should either be relayed or
automatically dealt with so the beneficial registrant is
informed. The harder question is what else is forwarded
and how. I think we need to agree on words that describe
the kind of material that should be relayed separately
from how that is done. I do appreciate that actually
forwarding mail is time consuming and costly. Some P/P
providers may want to offer that service (and charge
accordingly) but I’m not sure it is something that ICANN
could mandate. It may make more sense to reach an
agreed description of what should be forwarded (and lots
of thought needed for that one) and leave it up to P/P
providers as to how material is relayed, providing they
describe to potential customers both what material they
relay and what they will/will not do to actually relay the
material (mail/email/whatever).
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<div>I think that is close to Steve’s suggestion, but I take
Volker’s point about the timing. I also take other points
made in that other providers may, as part of the service,
not relay material that are just marketing or other
material that is close to spam in nature.</div>
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<div>I am an apology for this meeting - and sorry I will
miss what will be an interesting discussion</div>
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<div>HOlly</div>
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<div>On 29 Jul 2014, at 7:40 pm, Luc SEUFER <<a
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<div>As most often, I agree with Volker.</div>
<div>Furthermore I think we should keep the "request
methods" clearly separated. An email or a fax can be
automatically relayed, a postal mail requires human
intervention.</div>
<div>Luc</div>
<div>On 29 Jul 2014, at 11:28, Volker Greimann <<a
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<div>Hi Steven,</div>
<div>I also strongly object to the relay timeframe you are
suggesting. There are such things as holidays and
week-ends. I therefore propose the timeframe for manual
relay should be no less than two business hours.</div>
<div>Regarding the first part, I also have an issue with
the "all relay requests". We for example also filter
purchase inquiries and offers, which may not be spam in
a strict sense.</div>
<div>Volker</div>
<div>As the updated template reflects, there has been
considerable discussion about what overall policy
regarding relay should be expressed in accreditation
standards, and how the use of spam and other filters
should be reflected. Let me suggest the following
formulation for consideration:</div>
<div>“ P/P service providers must forward all relay
requests received at the e-mail address provided for the
domain name in Whois (or via the webform to which
requesters are directed, if this technique is used),
subject to the use of commercially reasonable measures
(including CAPTCHA on web forms) to filter out spam,
abusive communications, and the like. In the case of
manual relay systems, relay must take place within 24
hours.”</div>
<div>Looking forward to discussing this on our call
tomorrow.</div>
<div>Steve Metalitz</div>
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On Behalf Of Mary Wong</div>
<div>Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 10:37 AM</div>
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<div>Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Agenda for WG call on 29
July</div>
<div>Dear WG members,</div>
<div>The proposed agenda for the next WG meeting on 29
July is as follows:</div>
<div> 1. Roll Call/Updates to SOI</div>
<div> 2. Continue discussions on E-1 (updated template
sent pm 23 July; attached here again – with a minor typo
corrected - for your review)</div>
<div> 3. Commence discussions on E-2 (if time permits)</div>
<div> 4. Next steps/next meeting</div>
<div>We will add the updated template for E-1 to the WG
wiki, in accordance with the usual practice, as well.</div>
<div>Thanks and cheers</div>
<div>Mary</div>
<div>Mary Wong</div>
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