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Well, when that happens, the service has to contact the <small>registrant
(or if impossible another involved party) and request an update of
the underlying data. </small><br>
Anything beyond that is not required at this time. <br>
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Why should the original sender have a right to be informed about a
bounce if the data is later fixed?<br>
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Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 31.07.2014 17:55, schrieb
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Alex_Deacon@mpaa.org">Alex_Deacon@mpaa.org</a>:<br>
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<pre wrap="">Thats right.
We are getting into the weeds here but when the “sender” (SMTP server in the context Michele provided below) finally gives up it will send a hard bounce back to the address in From: or Reply-To: header.
When this happens the service has X days (2 days based on the recent thread) to process the message and notify the original sender of the bounce.
Alex
On Jul 30, 2014, at 1:46 AM, Michele Neylon - Blacknight <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:michele@blacknight.com"><michele@blacknight.com></a> wrote:
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It's defined in the RFC as:
"Retries continue until the message is transmitted or the sender gives
up; the give-up time generally needs to be at least 4-5 days"
See: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt">https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2821.txt</a>
Of course that's an RFC, so while *most* mail servers might work that way there's no guarantee that they all will
Regards
Michele
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>] On Behalf Of David Cake
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It used to be the standard practice was that mail servers would continue trying to deliver for four days.
Regards
David
On 29 Jul 2014, at 6:15 pm, James M. Bladel <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jbladel@godaddy.com"><jbladel@godaddy.com></a> wrote:
I¹ll also see if we are tracking/counting this stat. Another helpful data point might be how many ³bounces² are later resolved, meaning the delivery failure was a temporary situation that was later corrected. This could be important if a relay obligation were framed in terms of ³unsuccessful delivery after X attempts or within Y business days² or something similar.
Thanks<
J.
On 7/29/14, 10:42 , "Graeme Bunton" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:gbunton@tucows.com"><gbunton@tucows.com></a> wrote:
That's a good question Kathy,
I'll see if I can dig some stats up from our systems.
Graeme
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Subject: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Question
Hi Steve and Alex,
Good discussion today - much appreciated. Quick note: I can certainly understand the desire to know if an email went through. Quick question:
do you have any idea how many "bouncebacks" we are talking about? In today's environment, with the current forwarding work by proxy/privacy providers, do you have any idea how many messages are undeliverable vs.
how many may be received but not responded to? I know each messages is important, but are we talking about a high percentage or a very low percentage?
Tx,
Kathy
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