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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Dear All,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoPlainText style='margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Please find the MP3 recording for the Privacy and Proxy Services Accreditation Issues PDP Working group call held on </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday<span style='color:#1F497D'> </span>05 August 2014 at 14:00 UTC at:<span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140805-en.mp3"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-ppsa-20140805-en.mp3</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>On page: <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>http://gnso.icann.org/en/group-activities/calendar#aug</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/"><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:windowtext'>http://gnso.icann.org/calendar/</span></a><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Attendees:</span></u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Steve Metalitz - IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Justin Macy – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sarah Wyld - RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chris Pelling – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span class=apple-style-span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Darcy Southwell - RrSG</span></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Graeme Bunton – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Val Sherman – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Griffin Barnett – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Susan Kawaguchi – BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Kathy Kleiman – NCUC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Todd Williams – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Michele Neylon – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tatiana Khramtsova – RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Frank Michlick – Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Luc Seufer- RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Volker Greimann-RrSG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Don Blumenthal – RySG<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>Osvaldo Novoa – ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Libby Baney-BC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David Hughes-IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Holly Raiche <span style='color:#1F497D'>–</span> ALAC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Kristina Rosette – IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>David Heasley-IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Dan Burke-Individual<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Christian Dawson-ISPCP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Jim Bikoff-IPC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Sean McInerney-SOI<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><u><span lang=FR style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></p><p 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style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>-------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'> <b><u>Adobe Connect chat transcript for </u></b></span><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Tuesday 05 August 2014:<o:p></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Welcome to the PPSAI WG Meeting on 05 August 2014<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:afternoon all :)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:Hi Chris<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:Good morning all<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Christian Dawson:Good mornig<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:wow<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Christian Dawson::)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:@Don, please do not take this as rudeness, but can you turn your MIC down ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Frank Michlick and Volker Greimann has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Holly Raiche:fine by me<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Volker Greimann:Apologies, I am delayed on another call, will join this one in a few minutes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Osvaldo Novoa has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Thank you for the information Volker<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:@Luc 'ello<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Darcy Southwell:My audio isn't working ... <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Darcy Southwell:I'll come back<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:David Hughes has joined audio<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Kristina Rosette has joined<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kristina Rosette:Apologies for being late<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:Sorry guys, but could we take a step back and address the root issue that mail servers can be silent and there is no obligation for a registrant to have his email address setup in a way it will send bounce/error messages?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:exactly, you don't necessarily got a bounce back with "regular "registration<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:@Luc I believe the current recommendation is to notify only when provider knows of actual failure (ie something similar to the "knowingly" standard in the RAA, albeit for a different situation)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:This is where I think we're a bit stuck, thanks Michele<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:We're also leaving it more open than email. Could be form, captcha etc<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:@Graeme, that's the current state of discussion, yes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:@Mary thanks that's what the recommendation is saying but not what I am hearing on the call<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:@Steve - NOT all servers comply with RFC on bounce's<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:for example RFC3463<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> steve metalitz:@Darcy it is not an either/or. Investigate AND notify requester. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:Sorry but are we missing the underlying server HAS to provide the bounce back in the first palce<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:*place<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:@Darcy, there's currently a prelim conclusion for Charter question B-2 that concerns provider obligation to verify for accuracy<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Darcy Southwell:Thanks, Mary.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:thanks Steve.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:What's the minimum baseline? What are the choices for p/p providers?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Libby Baney:Trying to define the world of possible "abuse case" messages strikes me as cumbersome and open to inconsistent interpretation<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:Quick note: the question is phrased: What, if any, are the baseline minimum standardized relay process... be adopted by p/p providers.. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Holly Raiche:@Kathy - I think that is the baselline<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:@Holly, and I think your summary was a good one!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:yes<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:ICANN policy email as an example<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:the verification emails sent under 2013 RAA<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:etc.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Susan Kawaguchi:There is many types of emails that should be relayed. I do not understand why a proxy registration should be treated any different than a "regular" registration<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:I totally agree with you Susan<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:@Susan: we've had long conversations regarding abuse, definitions of abuse, and the types of abuse messages that must be forwarded.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:(Relayed really)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:So now the idea of forwarding everything... interesting implications<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Susan Kawaguchi:Proxy does not equal spam filters <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:@Steve, shouldn't there be a choice?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:@Kathy forwarding doesn't prevent you from applying an anti-spam filter<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Susan Kawaguchi:as a domain name registrant I have a responsibility to have a functioing email address <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:just like for "regular" registration<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Susan Kawaguchi:I agree Luc<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:digging into some notes, for a sec<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:@Luc, that is correct - even for a "forward all" obligation, providers should be able to filter or apply "commercially reasonable<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:safeguards<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:Mary I am not speaking of the P/P provider, the RNH/user can use the filter that they chose to<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:Ah, ok, thx<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:but this FW obligation should be on a best efforts basis<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:there is no guarantee those emails will be read by the user <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> steve metalitz:@Kathy or others: Could someone propose a list of the categories of notices that must be forwarded? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:@Kathy @Susan would the "commercially reasonable" language cover this situation?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:We do - as its a three factor auth to get an email to the registrant/tech or nilling contact<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:@Mary: I don't think so -- because "commercially reasonable" forarding of "all emails" (which I think is what you are suggesting) is far different that "allegations of illegal activities" which is what the question asks us<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:@Kathy, yes, this is where E-1 elides into E-2<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> steve metalitz:@Chris so we now have one provider vote for the additive approach. Others? <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:@Mary: so the standard would be "commercially reasonable" standard for forwarding allegations of illegal activities...? Sounds OK if that's the case.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Susan Kawaguchi:@ Michele I agree we shouldn't limit what services the proxy service provides but I don't think we should set the baseline at that granular level <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:Susan - I don't think we should set silly limits <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Sean McInerney has joined audio<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:@Kathy, for E-1 "commercially reasonable efforts to relay" is one option; if that is the preferred option, then the implications on E-2 (on screen now) will need to be addressed (or so I understand the discussion)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:can I reply to this please<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:sure!<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> steve metalitz:+1 Susan, a no-forward policy cannot be allowed. We discussed this in detail several weeks ago. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> steve metalitz:.cat obtained a waiver from RAA Whois requirements<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:yes they did<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Michele Neylon:kudos to them<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Chris Pelling:Graeme ?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:We may have some AC audio issues<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:i don't think it's actually kathy live<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:sounds like its the recording malfunctioning<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Volker Greimann:i can wait<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:this AC is haunted <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:It appears our AC audio has stopped working iwth Audio, I will reconnect it<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Volker Greimann:I cannot hear steve very well, btw<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Don Blumenthal:Am I coming through?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:not at the moment<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Mary Wong:Apparently a problem only with those purely on AC mic and audio, so if you are on phone bridge you should be fine.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:yes Don, you and ghost Steve<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Kathy:no Don<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:Well, that's an unfortunate way to end the call<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:one moment will re establish Adobe line<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Don Blumenthal:I just got a notice that AC dropped audio<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Don Blumenthal:Can't get back in<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Volker Greimann:time is out anyway<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Terri Agnew:Adobe connect has been re estalbished <o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Graeme Bunton:Yes please, thank you Mary<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Luc Seufer:bye<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing> Darcy Southwell:Thanks, bye.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNoSpacing><b><u><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></body></html>