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<div>I should have read everything in the thread before responding. I see your point, Volker. However, I would be more inclined to agree if we were looking at something that it’s reasonable to expect will happen. Not to insult any of our dual PPSAI/EWG members,
but I don’t think that can be said about any of the EWG recommendations now. It’s too early in its review process. </div>
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<div>As I said before, our work is complicated enough as it is. I suggest dealing with the world we have now allowing for reasonably certain new developments. Don’t ask me what they might be.</div>
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Volker Greimann <<a href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Monday, August 18, 2014 at 2:28 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>Steven Metalitz <<a href="mailto:met@msk.com">met@msk.com</a>>, Valeriya Sherman <<a href="mailto:VSherman@sgbdc.com">VSherman@sgbdc.com</a>>, "Williams, Todd" <<a href="mailto:Todd.Williams@turner.com">Todd.Williams@turner.com</a>>,
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<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposal contactability<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">Hi Steven,<br>
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I disagree, because I am a strong believer in "building for the future". I would hope that we can come up with policy recommendations that will not be made obsolete in a few years time but rather form a basis for future considerations. Therefore suggesting
policy that would work with already proposed future regimes is not only helpful, but rather strongly advisable.<br>
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I also see a very concrete harm in being required to receive unsolicited communications that are like spam to me. Having to claer out spam and unsolicited communications ot of my personal work mailbox takes at least ten minutes out of each workday and that
is after the spam-filters have worked their magic. I therefore understand anyone who desired that unwanted communications should be kept to a minimum.
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Best,<br>
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Volker<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.08.2014 20:21, schrieb Metalitz, Steven:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Our job is to recommend accreditation standards for today’s world, not for what may be the case if/when EWG recommendations are implemented.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">The “harm” inflicted by having something appear in one’s mailbox needs to be kept in context.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; color: windowtext;"> Volker Greimann [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 18, 2014 2:16 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Metalitz, Steven; Valeriya Sherman; Williams, Todd; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Steve,<br>
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this is currently the case, but I believe one of the suggestions of the EWG was that the country of the registrants residency be a field that is always published.
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An I maybe misphrased the "required to read". I meant it to mean "to have appear in his mailbox".<br>
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Volker<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">By definition, the jurisdiction of the registrant (p/p service customer) is generally unknown to the third party at the time the relay request for
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">A registrant is definitely better off knowing about a “foreign” legal claim. That is a separate question from whether a foreign court can claim jurisdiction
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Finally, please, no one is “required to read” anything that is relayed to them. I think that is common ground that was established much earlier
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 18, 2014 1:15 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Valeriya,<br>
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just as a counterpoint, I do not believe it should be "any jurisdiction". <br>
I would accept jurisdiction of the registrant, the service provider and (if affiliated) the registrar, but thats where it stops. Why should a registrant based in Dubai be required to be bothered by a US legal instrument that is not legally binding on him? Why
should a US registrant be required to read a Saudi legal complaint? <br>
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Best,<br>
Volker<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A "legal communication" is certainly something we would have to carefully define as a group, but as a starting point, I would define it as any communication by an individual or entity that asserts a problem connected to the ownership or use
of a domain name by the beneficial registrant based on <u>and</u> citing the laws of any jurisdiction. The communication need not threaten a lawsuit, or be made by a law firm to constitute a "legal communication." The communication would be submitted via
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Silverberg, Goldman & Bikoff, L.L.P.<br>
1101 30th Street, N.W.<br>
Suite 120<br>
Washington, D.C. 20007<br>
Tel 202.944.3300<br>
Cell 303.589.7477<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 18, 2014 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Valeriya Sherman; Williams, Todd; <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Another narrower approach would be to ensure that <u>all</u> communications that contain legal complaints are relayed without exception. To be clear, under this approach, there would be no content evaluation, other than to determine that
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">What is a legal communication though? Does it have to include a threat of a law suit? Does it have to include formal legal representation by a law firm?
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Also, this should be limited to the means of communication offered by the service provider, i.e. if postal relay is not offered, legal communications by postal mail would face the same fate as spam, i.e. the bin...<br>
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Bei weiteren Fragen stehen wir Ihnen gerne zur Verfügung.
Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
Volker A. Greimann
- Rechtsabteilung -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
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Geschäftsführer: Alexander Siffrin
Handelsregister Nr.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
Umsatzsteuer ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
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Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact us.
Best regards,
Volker A. Greimann
- legal department -
Key-Systems GmbH
Im Oberen Werk 1
66386 St. Ingbert
Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901
Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 851
Email: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>
Web: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.key-systems.net">www.key-systems.net</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.RRPproxy.net">www.RRPproxy.net</a><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com">www.domaindiscount24.com</a> / <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.BrandShelter.com">www.BrandShelter.com</a>
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CEO: Alexander Siffrin
Registration No.: HR B 18835 - Saarbruecken
V.A.T. ID.: DE211006534
Member of the KEYDRIVE GROUP
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="http://www.keydrive.lu">www.keydrive.lu</a>
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