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Hi Steve,<br>
<br>
this is currently the case, but I believe one of the suggestions of
the EWG was that the country of the registrants residency be a field
that is always published. <br>
<br>
An I maybe misphrased the "required to read". I meant it to mean "to
have appear in his mailbox".<br>
<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Am 18.08.2014 20:05, schrieb Metalitz,
Steven:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">By
definition, the jurisdiction of the registrant (p/p service
customer) is generally unknown to the third party at the
time the relay request for the legal claim is made.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A
registrant is definitely better off knowing about a
“foreign” legal claim. That is a separate question from
whether a foreign court can claim jurisdiction over the
registrant for that claim – which is often a very
complicated question that is by no means limited to where
the registrant is physically present. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Finally,
please, no one is “required to read” anything that is
relayed to them. I think that is common ground that was
established much earlier in our discussion.
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org">mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg-bounces@icann.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Volker Greimann<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 18, 2014 1:15 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Valeriya Sherman; Williams, Todd;
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposal
contactability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Hi Valeriya,<br>
<br>
just as a counterpoint, I do not believe it should be "any
jurisdiction". <br>
I would accept jurisdiction of the registrant, the service
provider and (if affiliated) the registrar, but thats where it
stops. Why should a registrant based in Dubai be required to
be bothered by a US legal instrument that is not legally
binding on him? Why should a US registrant be required to read
a Saudi legal complaint? <br>
<br>
Best,<br>
Volker<br>
<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 18.08.2014 19:03, schrieb Valeriya
Sherman:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Volker,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A "legal communication" is
certainly something we would have to carefully define
as a group, but as a starting point, I would define it
as any communication by an individual or entity that
asserts a problem connected to the ownership or use
of a domain name by the beneficial registrant based
on <u>and</u> citing the laws of any jurisdiction. The
communication need not threaten a lawsuit, or be made
by a law firm to constitute a "legal
communication." The communication would be submitted
via the accepted, to-be-determined means of
communication. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Best,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Val<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto">Valeriya
Sherman<br>
Silverberg, Goldman & Bikoff, L.L.P.<br>
1101 30th Street, N.W.<br>
Suite 120<br>
Washington, D.C. 20007<br>
Tel 202.944.3300<br>
Cell 303.589.7477<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vsherman@law.gwu.edu"
target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155CC">vsherman@sgbdc.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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Volker Greimann [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:vgreimann@key-systems.net">vgreimann@key-systems.net</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 18, 2014 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Valeriya Sherman; Williams, Todd; <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org">
gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Gnso-ppsai-pdp-wg] Proposal
contactability</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi Valeriya, <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Another narrower approach would
be to ensure that <u>all</u> communications that
contain legal complaints are relayed without
exception. To be clear, under this approach, there
would be no content evaluation, other than to
determine that any given communication is or
contains a legal complaint. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">What
is a legal communication though? Does it have to
include a threat of a law suit? Does it have to
include formal legal representation by a law firm?
<br>
Also, this should be limited to the means of
communication offered by the service provider, i.e. if
postal relay is not offered, legal communications by
postal mail would face the same fate as spam, i.e. the
bin...<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
volker<o:p></o:p></p>
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